As I recall, Bill Rancic wasn’t exactly Mr. Personality either.
I still prefer Kelly to that do-nothing harridan Jenn.
I don’t understand the hatred of either candidate.
They both seem pretty typical of corporate and legal America.
I think that Trump is just going through the motions.
In one of his prelude voiceovers, he said that Jenn took credit for Ivana’s ideas. Now, one might argue against that claim (misguidedly, IMO), but the point is that Trump believes that Jenn acted inappropriately.
I can’t imagine that he’d hire Jenn under such circumstances – not unless Kelly does something truly idiotic.
Now, even accepting yours and Trump’s opinion that she stole credit, you have written your own editorial into his comment.
Trump merely said that she took the credit from Ivana. He did not, however, give any indication that it was inappropriate. For all we know, Trump may like that kind of cut throat behavior.
He think screaming without end is “debate.”
-Keeping it real
That was beautiful. ;j
Just saw the Yahoo footage of Jen’s meeting with the Genworth women. They came off even worse than they did on the show. They were most upset about just finding out about having to name an unofficial MVP; when Pamela said “If you’re uncomfortable with selecting an MVP, either we can handle that, or we can assign the task to someone else of your choosing.” The bitchier Genworth woman snotted back, “It’s not a matter of being uncomfortable; it’s a matter of just now finding out about it.”
I’m thinking this is Trump’s or Burnett’s fault, not Jen’s, actually. SOMEONE has been involved with this project for much longer than Jen has, and they failed to keep the sponsors informed, letting that unhappy task fall to Jen, who just walked in on a mess of someone else’s creation. The sponsor refused to either take responsibility for the MVP selection, OR allow Jen to take responsibility for it; all she wanted to say, over and over, was how unhappy she was that she just found out an MVP had to be selected. Pure passive-aggressiveness.
Andy, Raj, and Chris wind up dissing someone who beat them, and that’s an indictment of Kelly’s character?
<pause here for me to stop laughing hysterically to continue…>
If Kelly’s a tool, those three are sour, resentful, monster-hydraulic mud movers.
Peace.
Yes, I’ll grant that I’m making that assumption. I also think it’s a reasonable assumption to make. It doesn’t take much brains to see that a competent manager doesn’t have to take credit for other people’s work.
Is it possible that Trump would applaud that type of behavior? Maybe… but I doubt it.
monstro I can’t see the yahoo footage. From what I saw in the regularly aired show, I’m a bit confused by the Genworth women.
They did seem incredibly bitchy. However, that’s kind of expected when dealing with event vendors. I hope I’ve never been as nasty as they appeared, but I’m pretty sure I was every bit as pushy. You just have to be. So many things can go wrong in an event and you’re ultimately responsible for it. If you see 99 things out of 100 are under control and running smoothly, you focus all your attention on the 1 that’s not. Also, some people (and I am most assuredly not one of them) think you can’t let the vendor know you’re happy with their performance before the task is complete for fear they’ll stop trying to improve. So even when things are going well and you thingk the vendor is doing a good job, meetings with them can still be a bit rough.
What I don’t understand is why they expressed their disapproval of certain areas and just left Jenn to figure it out. I’ve never been able to go back to my manager and say “well, the vendor let me down.” My manager is going to want to know why I didn’t step in and fix it. She’d be furious to learn I knew of a problem and just told the vendor to figure it out on their own. I suspect the Genworth reps are are behaving differently because this is a task for a reality show and maybe they’ve been told to let Jenn figure things out for herself.
I do think (from what I’ve seen) that Jenn made a mistake in not meeting with the Gennworth reps at the start of the project to learn what their expectations were and what areas they thought were most important. It appeared (and maybe I missed something not seeing the extended footage) that she waited until she had a preliminary plan before discussing anything with them. That seems a bit too late. Perhaps she didn’t want to go to them empty handed, but that runs the risk she’d overlook areas they thought were most important–which it seems she did.
However, I think it’s too early to tell whether Gennworth is happy with the job Jenn is doing. As I mentioned earlier, that could be their normal style of dealing with vendors, or they may have been told to put her on the hot seat to see how she does. Plus, I’ve found if an event runs smoothly, you tend to forget about the problems you’ve had along the way. On the other hand, if the event bombs, you forget that the vendor seemed to be doing a great job all along.
An interesting spoiler for next week. Now, it doesn’t tell the outcome of the finale, but it is a side issue forming that tells you how one of the cliffhangers from last week will play out.
LOS ANGELES (Zap2it.com) NBA star Chris Webber is none too happy about his name being bandied about on “The Apprentice” last week.
The Sacramento Kings forward, who was portrayed as having backed out of a charity event on the Dec. 9 episode of the unscripted NBC series, says that while “Apprentice” producers contacted him, he never agreed to appear on the show. He’s looking into legal action for use of his name without permission.
“There was never a part in the show. They wanted to entice me to come on there,” Webber tells the Sacramento Bee. “But I said I really didn’t care about being on their show. So no, I never agreed to do it, and my people are upset that they tried to use my name to snare interest for their last show.”
Per twickster’s request, it seems you forgot to put “REHASH OF THE JENN-IVANA DEBATE” so people can avoid hearing your continued, strident flogging of the dead horse.
Do you ever, ever give it a rest?
Rubystreak, perhaps you missed the part where I specifically said that it doesn’t matter if Jenn did steal credit or not. As I specifically stated, “the point is that Trump believes that Jenn acted inappropriately.” Your objection is thus irrelevant.
I’d also like to remind you that twickster’s request, impassioned as it may be, is by no means binding on this group.
Eh. The season is almost over anyway! 
I didn’t ask that you stop going over and over and over and over the same argument – just that you let those of us who are tired of it know that that’s what your post is about.
Once again though, while you’re within your rights to make such a request, it’s hardly binding on the group as a whole.
More importantly, that objection is simply irrelevant. As I already pointed out, I was not attempting to argue that Jenn was guilty of stealing blame. In fact, I went out of my way to emphasize that this issue was irrelevant to the question of how Trump views Jenn. (See the text that I quoted to RubyStreak for details.)
End of story.
I think you’re perseverating on this topic in a most excessive manner. You passed a comment about how “misguided” those who thought Jenn didn’t steal credit were, and now you’re on about how it “doesn’t take much brains to see that a competent manager doesn’t have to take credit for other people’s work.” I’d call that flogging a dead horse. But hey, by all means, continue.
MaddyStrut, well said. (Did you possibly mean me when you said monstro? If so, I’m quite flattered by the mistake.)
A special request, not binding on the thread in the least: could the people who want to talk about not talking about Jen’s stealing credit from Ivana (or not), warn off those of us who might not be interested in that topic either? 
God, you people are hard to please. 
I have to admit, I’m looking forward to the finale and the show being over. I think this season was far less enjoyable than last, with very few likable characters. Though I prefer Jenn to Kelly by a lot, I can’t say that I’m wild about her. She’s no Amy Henry. I think whoever wins, people will feel like the winner was an ass, which will be unsatisfying either way. Eh, maybe next season will be better.
The “misguided” comment was parenthetical in nature, and I took great pains to emphasize that it was ultimately irrelevant to the subject at hand. Of course, that doesn’s top you from construing it as a renewed argument against Jenn. Apparently, even the slightest hint of objectino to Jenn’s actions is enough to set you off the deep end.
And I have no doubt that you will construe this comment as an attack on her character as well. Criminy, talk about extreme.
What you fail to understand is that the “misguided” comment was not about Jenn, it was about me and those who agree with me. I’m not taking umbrage at what you say about Jenn. I’m not in love with her and I certainly think valid criticisms of her can be made. I just don’t appreciate being characterized as misguided because I disagree with you. I’ve been persuaded that the “stolen credit” situation can be seen from several different points of view. I see it my way, you see it yours. I’m not misguided. It’s you that’s being extreme by continuing this debate well beyond it’s sell by date and being rude about it to boot. Can we just drop this? Or e-mail me privately if you can’t drop it. We’re boring the other people, and it’s not worth getting all weird about this show in a public forum.