The Bricker Challenge #3

Bricker,

I’ve been trying to figure out which of my answers were wrong. The only thing that I’m not sure of now is whether there were any 18-and 19-year-olds voting in the 1968 presidential election. I know that the constitutional amendment requiring all the states to lower the age limit to 18 was passed in 1971, but didn’t some states allow 18-year-olds to vote even before that? According to the following web site
http://www.census.gov/population/socdemo/voting/history/vot09.txt

about 145,000 people under 21 voted in the 1968 election. Are you sure you’ve got the question right?

And never mind, Bricker…I think I just figured out which one we got wrong, due to a damn C&P error. Are we allowed to resubmit answers?


“You are sweet, kind, and considerate… Like a grown up boy scout with tits!” - Brian, aka SDMB’s one and only Satan.

Falcon: revising answers is absolutely permitted.

Wendell: My recollection was that while those under 21 were permitted to vote in some state elections, they were not permitted to vote in federal elections.

But – I could be wrong. In light of this ambiguity, I will accept either “0” - the answer I was looking for – or th results of any poll purporting to accurately answer the question of how many actually voted Democratic.

In any event, that’s not the one you have wrong.

  • Rick

Revised answer from Falc and myself:
22. “The Happy Hooker” by Xaviera Hollander

Change my answer to question 22 to The Happy Hooker by Xaviera Hollander. If this misspelling was the problem, I must say that you’re being hypocritical. You didn’t spell Rubens’s name right either.

Neither mispelling changes scores.

The key here is to pick up on the concept, and unless spelling itself is a part of the question, I won’t count spelling as a reason for a wrong answer.

Neither score changes. Both of you have 49, and interestingly enough, both have missed a different question.

  • Rick

Okay, then, we’ll make another change:

  1. Joule.

Bricker,

That’s ridiculous. The only significant different between our answers is that mine is “joule” and theirs is “JEWEL: Just a nEW Evaluation tooL”. I think mine is right, but, still, that’s the only answer that substantially differs between MaxTorque and Falcon’s answers and mine. It can’t be true that I missed one and they missed another.

Note that I didn’t see MaxTorque’s post of 10:59 before I made my post of 11:07.

Wendell,

There’s another difference, and to my way of thinking it’s quite substantial.

Your answer for #20 says, “The dark side of the moon always faces away from the earth.”

That’s not so. The far side of the moon always faces away from the earth.

On the other hand, they said, “The so-called ‘dark side of the moon’ isn’t visible from earth.” I grant you this seems similar, but there are two subtle differences. First, the use of “so-called” indicates an awareness that there is no such thing as a permanant dark side. Secondly, they say it isn’t visible, not that it always faces away. This is a much more accurate assessment of the situation. When the moon is new, the dark side faces the earth, but isn’t visible.

Max & Falcon,

As you have figured out, I was looking for “joule,” a unit of work. I wasn’t even aware there was a software tool called “JEWEL,” when I posted the question. After you answered with that reference, I found its web page. It appears to be an analysis and management tool for network traffic, with specific use in video packets. While that’s good to know, it doesn’t really measure ‘work’, as the original question called for.

That said, since you’ve revised that answer, I now declare this contest closed with the team of Falcon and MaxTorque the winners, having posted fifty correct answers.

Congrats – let me know what you want for beer!

  • Rick

WAHOO!

Falcon would like you to know that she’s grateful she won something tonight (darn Titans).

We’d like Dos Equis, bottles if possible. And, since I understand you’re local to Falc, we’d like to hold off collecting until around March 11, when I’ll be in Maryland visiting her.

I repeat, Bricker, that’s ridiculous. The term “the dark side of the moon” means the far side of the moon. It’s a standard term. Look at the URL
http://science.peoriaud.k12.az.us/Imse2/SC_CD/docs/starch00/solars01/darkside.htm

where it defines the term by the sentence “The phase ‘dark side of the Moon’ usually refers to the side of the Moon that we cannot see from Earth.” Look at the URL
http://www.angelfire.com/sys/popup_source.shtml?Category=

where it says that “dark side of the moon” is a common cliche. Look at the URL
http://medinfo.wustl.edu/~ysp/MSN/posts/archives/dec96/839618981.As.r.html

where in answer to the question “Why is there a dark side of the moon?” it doesn’t even find it necessary to explain that the phrase “dark side of the moon” means the far side of the moon. Furthermore, there’s a standard use of the word “dark” in which it means “concealed, secret, or generally”. Look at meanings 7.a, 7.b, and 8 in the meanings of “dark” as an adjective in the OED. Not accepting my answer when you were willing to accept minor differences in spelling, etc. is blatantly unfair.

I’m sorry you feel that way, but I’m standing by my guns here. The first URL you provide does indeed support your claim that “dark side” and “far side” are synonomous. However, this page appears to have been created by a pair of middle school teachers from Evans, Georgia.

I can’t seem to read your second URL; I get a blank screen. But you represent that as saying that “dark side of the moon” is a common cliche. I know it’s a common cliche; the gravamen of the trivia question is, “What does it mean?”

Your third URL again doesn’t make the distinction between “dark” and “far”, answering the question about “dark” by explaining “far,” without acknowledging they may be different.

In contrast, observe http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/980309b.html directly from NASA, which nattily explains that “dark side” is a misnomer.

Moreover, the first meaning of “dark,” at least in the on-line Merriam-Webster, is “devoid or partially devoid of light : not receiving, reflecting, transmitting, or radiating light.”

Since my question itself starts out with the proposition that something is wrong with the phrase or concept of seeing the “dark side of the moon,” it’s not unfair to expect a complete explanation, for safety’s sake if nothing else. Knowing there is no permanant unlit side of the moon, and harkening back to the examples of answered questions I gave in explaining the game, it seems a prudent approach would be to mention that fact.

  • Rick

I see no mention in your question of the "the proposition that something is wrong with the phrase or concept of seeing the “dark side of the moon.” Do you really think that I was so stupid that I don’t know that the dark side of the moon isn’t dark in the most common sense of the word.

Wendell,

I don’t think you’re stupid at all - to the contrary, you’re obviously very bright.

But when I say, “You might need to drop acid to really see Pink Floyd’s Dark Side of the Moon. Why?” I think you’ll agree it implies that there’s something amiss, since the predicate is that in order to see it, you might have to drop acid - i.e., to induce a hallucination.

Look, I know the questions are not rigorously formed. If I could line people up in isolation booths with buzzers, I wouldn’t have to do it this way. But (a) phrasing them this way cuts down on the poster who knows nothing but how to bring up yahoo.com, and (b) sometimes, it’s kinda fun (see the cereal killer).

But there’s a downside, which we’re now experiencing. And it comes when someone believes - with understandable reasoning - that his answer was correct, when it wasn’t what I was looking for.

I have tried to be fairly lenient, giving credit for answers I didn’t think of when they make sense in the context of the original question. But your answer comes down to, “the dark side of the moon always faces away from the earth.” I’m sorry, but in the context of answering a trivia question, I think it deserves at least a mention that there is an unchanging far side, which is alternately lit and unlit.

  • Rick
  1. I’ve only ever heard of attacking a lot of countries in Risk.

  2. No idea

  3. You refuse of course. Don Giovanni did and look what happened to him.

  4. If I’m not mistaken, that’s where the sailors stayed in Mutiny on the Bounty.

  5. Got me there

  6. I’ll hazard a guess - in the middle.

  7. Another got me

  8. Oooo…you would have to ask something I know but can’t remember :smiley:

  9. Eh, math, icky.

  10. Jocasta I know - Oedipus’s mother and later his wife…Laius I believe is from the same play.

  11. Joules measure work, silly :smiley:

  12. I have no idea.

  13. Asimov - No robot shall harm a human, no robot shall do something that will harm a human and all robots will obey humans. Or something like that :slight_smile:

  14. LaBomba, maybe? I’m guessing here.

  15. No idea

  16. Nope, dunno :smiley:

  17. Finally one I know! Hubby is Charles Bovary and the novel is Madame Bovary. The wife is Emma.

  18. Another dunno.

  19. Charges

  20. Don’t listen to em, so I dunno.

  21. Not one I know

  22. The Happy Hooker? I dunno :smiley:

  23. Bovine and I can’t for the life of me remember the other.

  24. Nawleans…I think. The French Quarter if I remember right.

  25. A miner 49er and his daughter Clementine.

  26. Easy for us chem people - Goldwater.

  27. Argh…they were arrested during the Red Scare…but I can’t remember their names. One begins with an S. It’ll come to me after this challenge, you watch.

  28. Charlie from Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, of course.

  29. Ugh, more math.

  30. Eh?

  31. I know these are British Prime Ministers but I have no idea who’s next. Churchill for all I know :smiley:

  32. No idea - journalism.

  33. 7

  34. The '49 gold rush

  35. Lizzie Borden

  36. Aretha Franklin

  37. Got me again

  38. And again

  39. He was a leper? :slight_smile:

  40. She would never be found drinking - she was against alcohol entirely.

  41. Adam Smith

  42. Medicinal? I dunno.

  43. No idea

  44. Nope

  45. 3

  46. 34 is next and I only did these on IQ tests and ISTEP, I dunno the name

  47. Universal donor - O Universal recipient - AB At least I think - been a while since bio

  48. Eh?

  49. Icky, math.

  50. Whoohoo! Science! Kingdom, Phylum, Class, Order, Family, Genus, Species…or King Phillip Came Over From Germany Stoned :smiley:

Tie-breaker: Gold, of course - 6 if I count right


When are you going to realize being normal isn’t necessarily a good thing?

Ack…scratch that bovine…I just remembered that’s a cow…ursine comes to mind as one.


When are you going to realize being normal isn’t necessarily a good thing?

Damn. I suppose I should do one of these, if only to increase my self-loathing.

  1. Mannix
  2. Don Giovanni
  3. Mutiny on the Bounty
  4. Christie
  5. Moscow
  6. Irish Spring
  7. Four grams. Is this a trick question?
  8. Oedipus’ folks.
  9. Whoever took a shot at Karol
  10. Asimov. 1) No hurt humans. 2) Obey humans. 3) Protect self.
  11. Dick Clark & AMERICAN BANDSTAND

16 Anything Goes
17. Charles Bovary
18. Abstract Expressionist painter
19.
20. Ummmm…it’s a rock album, possibly influenced by drugs?
21. “Nothing Gold can Stay” by Robt Frost
22. Hollander; THE HAPPY HOOKER
23. Porcine and ursine
24. French Quarter, New Orleans
25. A miner and his daughter Clementine
26. Barry Goldwater in 1964
27. Sacco & Vanzetti
28. Charlie Bucket, in Dahl’s CHARLIE & THE CHOCOLATE FACTORY
29. Many, many different ways.
30.
31.
32.
33.
34. California gold rush
35. Lizzie Borden
36. Aretha Franklin
37. a cereal killer
38.
39. Paul Rubens, convicted masturbator.
40. She was an anti-saloon crusader.
41. Adam Smith
42. Margaret Mead
43. the Stonewall riot, NYC 1969, was the beginning of the Gay Liberation movement.
44.
45. Three
46.
47. Donor is O, recipient I don’t know
48. neat (without ice)
49. 75%?
50. Family, genus, species.

Uke

Uke, to help increase your self-loathing, let me point out to you that Bricker has already declared the contest closed.

Damn! Miss the board for one day, and you’re out of the running.

Arnold, smug winner of Bricker challenge #2 (by stealing other poster’s answers)

TaleraRis, alas, someone posted fifty correct answers and won.

However, I would invite you to reconsider your plan on the repenting business. I hope you mean you wouldn’t refuse to stop your despoiling ways. Don Giovanni did refuse to change, even as the statue of the Commandatorante drags him off to Hell. If a statue shows up at your next dinner party, you promise to change, OK?

  • Rick :slight_smile: