The Bundys are at it again.

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@outlierrn

So wait, she says the feds are imperialist and communist, nobility and socialist? There’s a trick.

Shh…you can’t talk about it, didn’t you see she signed it “Shawna Cox All Rights Reserved”

[Really_Not_All_That_Bright]

@Fubaya

Shawna Cox is going full blown sovereign citizen in court! Oh hell motherfuckin yes! You go girl!

I love this. At first, it’s only a little bit crazy.

In accordance with the rules of professional conduct, the code of judicial ethics and the laws that prevent judges from sitting on cases that they have a direct interest in, I am objecting to each and every judge who is a state or federal Bar Association member from presiding over my case.

In other words, every judge in the US is disqualified. But then it just goes full-on nutbar.

I Claim I and the others involved in these actions have suffered damages from the works of the devil in excess of $666,666,666,666.66 Six hundred sixty six billion, six hundred sixty six million, six hundred sixty six thousand, six hundred sixty six dollars and sixty six cents.

[eschereal]

A writer for High Country News (not a drug-related periodical), Hal Herring, a Montana immigrant from the south who likes guns and is wary of big government, offers an in-depth-ish look at the occupation from the perspective of one who can identify with the militants but disagrees strongly with their goals and the realistic prospective outcome. Nicely written, even-handed essay.

[SteveG1]

@JRDelirious

Right. If their free-for-all vision of land use ends up ruining the land and leaving it useless for anything, they’ll figure that they can always move on to anywhere else they want as long as they outgun whoever objects. ISTM these people truly feel the way you lived in the 19th century is the way to live?

I have a very strong suspicion that in the 18th or 19th century, their threats and gun waving would have just gotten them a quick trip to Boot Hill… if they ever got the gumption to actually threaten an armed person :dubious:

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@SteveG1

I have a very strong suspicion that in the 18th or 19th century, their threats and gun waving would have just gotten them a quick trip to Boot Hill… if they ever got the gumption to actually threaten an armed person :dubious:

It is quite clear from that fateful FBI video that LeVoy Finicum wasn’t all that quick on the draw.

[Euphonious_Polemic]

@eschereal

A writer for High Country News (not a drug-related periodical), Hal Herring, a Montana immigrant from the south who likes guns and is wary of big government, offers an in-depth-ish look at the occupation from the perspective of one who can identify with the militants but disagrees strongly with their goals and the realistic prospective outcome. Nicely written, even-handed essay.

One of the highlights of this article for me was the photo of one of the cars at the reserve with professional-quality decals on it advertising the services of doctors who will remove the government-implanted microchips that they secretly installed into those born after 1980.

[Euphonious_Polemic]

Just found another excellent quote from that article:

The weapons and the tactical vests lent a seriousness to men disappearing into the irrelevance of late middle age. Guns, for as long as we have had them, have given undue impetus to arguments that lack merit or reason, given credence to delusional rants.

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@eschereal

A writer for High Country News (not a drug-related periodical), Hal Herring, a Montana immigrant from the south who likes guns and is wary of big government, offers an in-depth-ish look at the occupation from the perspective of one who can identify with the militants but disagrees strongly with their goals and the realistic prospective outcome. Nicely written, even-handed essay.

A good read. Thanks.

[davidm]

State police board seeks investigation of Grant County sheriff who met militants

The state agency that licenses Oregon police officers has asked the state Justice Department to investigate Grant County Sheriff Glenn Palmer, who met with leaders of the armed occupation of the wildlife refuge and then was scheduled to speak at a community meeting featuring the occupiers.
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The complaints and details of the allegations weren’t immediately available, but the licensing agency notified at least one complainant that if the allegations were true, Palmer’s conduct would violate state regulations.
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The licensing agency can take a range of action against Palmer’s police certification, up to revocation, if it finds he violated rules or law governing police conduct. The agency, however, has no authority to remove Palmer from office since he is an elected official. Only a recall election can remove him.
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One of the other militants who met with Palmer, Jon Ritzheimer of Arizona, said he was one of those who met with Palmer. He said he and Payne autographed Palmer’s pocket copy of the Constitution at the sheriff’s request.

It seems pretty clear where this sheriff’s sympathies lie.

[JRDelirious]

@SteveG1

I have a very strong suspicion that in the 18th or 19th century, their threats and gun waving would have just gotten them a quick trip to Boot Hill… if they ever got the gumption to actually threaten an armed person :dubious:

Well yes, they are counting on that under 21st century ROE other people won’t shoot first and will have to let them just walk on to take the high ground.

[Trinopus]

@Princhester

Well sure but the somewhat hyperbolic submission in question made it sound like the cattle were doing something inappropriately uncattle-like. They were actually just cattle being cattle.

I thought the point of the article was that the cattle aren’t being cared for properly, and Bundy is an absentee rancher. Cattle, left to their own, get in trouble. They get injuries which need a Vet’s attention. They get lost. They get trapped in thick brambles. They have difficulty calving.

Cattle, reduced to a state of nature, die in large numbers (just as humans would.) It’s staggeringly bad husbandry to just leave them alone and let them make their own way. No responsible cattle rancher would countenance that kind of malfeasance.

[Euphonious_Polemic]

@Trinopus

I thought the point of the article was that the cattle aren’t being cared for properly, and Bundy is an absentee rancher. Cattle, left to their own, get in trouble. They get injuries which need a Vet’s attention. They get lost. They get trapped in thick brambles. They have difficulty calving.

Cattle, reduced to a state of nature, die in large numbers (just as humans would.) It’s staggeringly bad husbandry to just leave them alone and let them make their own way. No responsible cattle rancher would countenance that kind of malfeasance.

I gathered that evidence shows he is not a rancher.

He merely let some cows go onto public lands many years ago, and now he occasionally goes onto the public lands to effectively hunt these (now) wild cattle.

Trouble is, he thinks he owns these wild cattle that are roaming on public lands, and he thinks the public lands are now his, because he harvests wild cattle on them.

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@Euphonious_Polemic

Trouble is, he thinks he owns these wild cattle that are roaming on public lands, and he thinks the public lands are now his, because he harvests wild cattle on them.

Hey, don’t you be telling these heavily armed, independent types that they need to actually WORK. That’s fascism, right there!

[3trew]

@John_Stamos_Left_Ear

Would you accept a check from Satan? Not so sure I would.

United_States_ex_rel._Gerald_Mayo_v._Satan_and_His_Staff

Not a worry, I’m pretty sure he’s judgment proof.

[Princhester]

@Trinopus

I thought the point of the article was that the cattle aren’t being cared for properly, and Bundy is an absentee rancher. Cattle, left to their own, get in trouble. They get injuries which need a Vet’s attention. They get lost. They get trapped in thick brambles. They have difficulty calving.

Cattle, reduced to a state of nature, die in large numbers (just as humans would.) It’s staggeringly bad husbandry to just leave them alone and let them make their own way. No responsible cattle rancher would countenance that kind of malfeasance.

No question about that. I just thought at points the submission strayed into hyperbole, far more than I’m used to seeing in such things.

[Muffin]

Bundy should have said that the cattle were not his and were pests on federal land, and that he should be paid a bounty for each cow he kills.

[Northern_Piper]

I could have sworn that Muffin suggested that Cliven should get a bounty for each cow he dresses in a kilt.

Note to self: get eyes checked.

[Snowboarder_Bo]

@eschereal

A writer for High Country News (not a drug-related periodical), Hal Herring, a Montana immigrant from the south who likes guns and is wary of big government, offers an in-depth-ish look at the occupation from the perspective of one who can identify with the militants but disagrees strongly with their goals and the realistic prospective outcome. Nicely written, even-handed essay.

That was fantastic; thanks for linking that eschereal.

[davidm]

@Northern_Piper

I could have sworn that Muffin suggested that Cliven should get a bounty for each cow he dresses in a kilt.

Note to self: get eyes checked.

I like your version better.

And just to prove that you can find anything on the internet:

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@Northern_Piper

I could have sworn that Muffin suggested that Cliven should get a bounty for each cow he dresses in a kilt.

Note to self: get eyes checked.

I’d pay to see that.