If you know that this is happening, and where, contact law enforcement and the agency that administers the land and let them know.
Nowhere is it written that the BLM can only handle one case at a time. Cliven Bundy grazed his cattle on federal land, and paid grazing fees to the federal government, for decades. As I understand it, it’s a pretty sweet deal for the ranchers. In 1993 he elected not to renew his permit, but continued to let his cattle graze. He was ordered to stop and fought the matter in court for years. He had ample opportunity to have his case heard and ruled upon. And when all of that apparatus ran its course and decided against him, he still refused to comply under threat of violence. And eventually he was arrested. That’s what is supposed to happen when you break laws and defy the courts.
If Cliven Bundy, his sons, and those who choose to throw in with them, want to campaign for changes in federal land management, go for it. But there are processes in place to decide those matters, and they try to work things out for the best interests of everybody. When things don’t go Bundy’s way, he doesn’t get to threaten people. If he does, it’s not just a few ranchers huffing and puffing over grazing rights.
Have you watched the video? What did you see when you watched the video?
As noted, NO the situation at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge had nothing to do with grazing fees; it was an armed occupation of a government facility. The stated reason for the armed occupation changed often, but the fact is that armed people took over a government facility and threatened to shoot anyone who tried to remove them. That is against the law.
Is there any factual basis for your belief?
If you know where this is happening, feel free to alert law enforcement and/or the agency responsible for the land.
There are no desert tortoises in or near Burns, Oregon and/or the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge ; you are badly misinformed.
You have no idea what you are talking about. You appear to have conflated events that happened in and near Bunkerville, Nevada in April of 2014 with events that happened in and near Burns, Oregon in 2016.
Wrong. Assuming you are talking about Cliven Bundy, he refuses to acknowledge the authority or existence of the United States federal government. He lost in court numerous times and then refused to abide but he court’s decision.
You seem to be making your own dots and then connecting them, aye.
So you did see the video of LaVoy Finicum driving his vehicle directly at law enforcement officers, swerving at the last moment to avoid them and ending up stalled in a snowbank, did see him exit the vehicle, did see him reach towards something in his jacket? And did see law enforcement officers shoot him? And did hear that the reason they shot him was because they thought that he was reaching for a weapon, which they subsequently did find on his person? If you saw all that, why are you mischaracterizing the events and the people involved?
I’m more than a little sceptical about LEO justifications of LEO killings. However in this case as I understand it even the friends of the dead guy who were present admit they had a confrontation with LEO’s. And as I understand it, the dead guy had proudly announced that he was always armed and would fight it out if the authorities came for him.
So isn’t the LEO version not only backed by video but extremely plausible? It seems perverse to doubt the official story about what the dead guy did, when it lines up completely with the stated intentions of the dead guy.
Are you saying he wasn’t armed when he always said he would be? Are you saying he didn’t attempt to fight back when he always said he would? Why?
Don’t you just love it when new posters pick a “cute” name?
(thought of using “precious” or “twee” but then this post’d be just as precious and then, what… twee squared?)
digs
(name chosen randomly – no cute backstory. No loyal mutt from childhood, no pun on a Lebowski line, no allusion to anime that is incomprehensible to all but a handful of tweeners from Tokyo…)
What I find particularly bizarre are the attempts by the Bundy supporters to disgrace the memory of Finicum (by what presumably are their own standards). They claim that Finicum, even though he made a point of always being armed, was so stupid to go someplace where a confrontation with law officers might be expected completely unarmed. They claim that, although Finicum said he would never be taken alive, made a cowardly attempt to surrender. They seem to have no respect at all for the man. If what they say about the final confrontation is true, they make him out to be a liar, a fool, and a coward. They have no shame.
(In fact, Finicum did disgrace himself by making phony show of surrendering. If he really had wanted to surrender, he could have done so at the first traffic stop, or could have stopped at the second roadblock. Even after crashing into the snowbank, he could have just sat in the car with his hands on the wheel, or come out slowly with his hands up. Instead he ran out at full speed, flailing his arms around. It looked like he was trying to fool the officers long enough for him to try to get away or to get his own gun out. This is what the sleazy villain always tries to do in cop pictures, not what an honorable “freedom fighter” would do.)
I would just like to go on record of being, apparently, the only old hippie to recognize that “jerrysmissingfinger” is a Grateful Dead reference, which makes the poster’s position that much stranger. Unless he’s riding that whole “fuck authority” wave.
I understand the idiom, but I think you’ve got the wrong adverb here. You could go with:
[ul]
[li]completely[/li][li]marvelously[/li][li]perfectly[/li][li]thoroughly[/li][li]totally[/li][li]conclusively[/li][/ul]
[ul]
[li]morally, ethically[/li][li]spiritually, physically[/li][li]positively, absolutely[/li][li]undeniably and reliably[/li][li]not only merely, but really most sincerely[/li][/ul]
This fuckwit has a $500k house and his wife went to Malheur to pick up two ATVs that he left behind. I’d like to see how much of his own money has gone to this.
Many people operate on debt. He may have no equity in his house and the ATV’s could be (very likely will be) on credit. I don’t want to sound like I feel sorry for the guy, but that may well be the facts.
