The Bundys are at it again.

[JRDelirious]

@Chimera

Imagine for half a second that these chucklefucks actually had won the day and the refuge was turned back over to the locals and sold.

Today we’d have these same angry assholes marching around in Yosemite or Yellowstone or at the Redwoods, blocking access, intimidating and driving away tourists all in the name of allowing rich fuckers to completely destroy our national park system in the name of the almighty dollar.

Assholes would probably be dumping their waste in Old Faithful.

Except they don’t seem to think forward to how if the “liberated” lands were in fact sold to rich fuckers, said rich fuckers may have a thing or two to say about trespassing yahoos messing up their private property.

These dudes seem to want it “handed over to the locals” as “free land” so whoever shows up armed enough to intimidate away contenders can stake a claim or just use it as unregulated commons. That wasn’t so any more even by the late 1800s, and if the rich fuckers are really rich fuckers they can hire a latter-day version of the Pinkertons, or even better have a Governor or two in their pocket who can call out the troops and remind the yahoos of how reality goes.

[eschereal]

Really, the occupiers lost their case two weeks ago. The charge they face is conspiracy to prevent refuge workers to do their jobs: the prosecution called Ammon Bundy’s chauffeur who, it turns out, was an FBI mole who alerted authorities to the John Day journey. Can there be a mole if it is not a conspiracy?

[Robot_Arm]

@eschereal

Really, the occupiers lost their case two weeks ago. The charge they face is conspiracy to prevent refuge workers to do their jobs: the prosecution called Ammon Bundy’s chauffeur who, it turns out, was an FBI mole who alerted authorities to the John Day journey. Can there be a mole if it is not a conspiracy?

Wait a minute. Ammon Bundy, rancher, patriot, salt-of-the-earth, and friend of the common man, had a chauffeur?

[eschereal]

His legal advisers warned the leaders of the movement to not get caught driving government vehicles. So they got plebes to do most of the blatantly illegal stuff.

[Robot_Arm]

@eschereal

His legal advisers warned the leaders of the movement to not get caught driving government vehicles. So they got plebes to do most of the blatantly illegal stuff.

Ammon Bundy, rancher, patriot, salt-of-the-earth, and friend of the common man, had legal advisors, too?

[Enginerd]

Did you ever doubt it? The sovereign citizen movement is stuffed to the brim with constitutional scholars!

Now qualified legal advisors… well, that’s a whole other kettle of fish.

[eschereal]

I recall reading, at the time, that some sympathetic persons with training in law stuff showed up early on and met with the leaders. They did not stay on, but they gave the guys some advice. “Legal advisors” is a bit of an overstatement, though not as bad as calling Bruce Doucette a judge.

[Enginerd]

To be fair, anyone with half a brain could tell you it’s a bad idea for someone who’s not a government employee to get caught driving a government vehicle. Maybe 4 or 5 of them put their heads together.

[Chimera]

Well yeah, the Bundy’s basically stopped paying rent on the land they’d been renting forever and declared that it was theirs now.

I was unaware that the Constitution included a clause about Rent-to-Own.

[TreacherousCretin]

@Princhester

At this point I think “the Constitution” is to these people more of a mental construct than an actual document. It’s the vibe. It’s the overall feeling. It’s the broad tenor of the thing. Their views have a certain Constitutioniness to them.

Exactly.

[Folacin]

@eschereal

His legal advisers warned the leaders of the movement to not get caught driving government vehicles. So they got plebes to do most of the blatantly illegal stuff.

Wait a minute. Ammon Bundy, rancher, patriot, salt-of-the-earth, and friend of the common man, set up patsy to take the fall for him?

[eschereal]

@Folacin

Wait a minute. Ammon Bundy, rancher, patriot, salt-of-the-earth, and friend of the common man, set up patsy to take the fall for him?

Well, and that backfired on him, since the patsy set him up for the fall.

[wguy123]

Got my very own pocket constitution in the mail today courtesy of the Cato Institute (unsolicited). I’m ready to take over my own federal property. Who is with me?!?!

[eschereal]

Occupier Ryan Payne want to take back his guilty plea, even though the Judge told him in July that the plea was permanent.

Why?

Well, first, he has not been able to reach a plea deal in Nevada, which was his premise for making the guilty plea in Oregon. More importantly, though, he found out there were snitches in amongst the occupiers, and that that fact would somehow weaken the case against him.

[Chimera]

@eschereal

More importantly, though, he found out there were snitches in amongst the occupiers, and that that fact would somehow weaken the case against him.

I bet most of those guys are singing like canaries trying to get their own charges or sentences reduced. Anyone who walks out with only probation probably sang very loudly.

[eschereal]

@Chimera

I bet most of those guys are singing like canaries trying to get their own charges or sentences reduced. Anyone who walks out with only probation probably sang very loudly.

No, government snitches. Moles. Plants.

Entrapment!

[Chimera]

@eschereal

No, government snitches. Moles. Plants.

Entrapment!

That’s another way to get these chuckleheads to turn on each other. Some of your fellows are government snitches. We won’t tell you who.

[Saint_Cad]

I would love to get manson1972’s perspective on this issue.

[wguy123]

@Saint_Cad

I would love to get manson1972’s perspective on this issue.

Please, no. Let’s not get this thread derailed like everything else he touches.

[Saint_Cad]

But according to him what the Bundys did would not be vandalism since it is public land/buildings.