Is there some symbolism involving a busted gingerbread man?
Well, in their minds they properly were, seeing as Cliven Bundy was not charged and is still grazing cattle on the BLMs land.
A busted gingerbread man going to a busted gingerbread man.
This board is clever and educational! 
We should get together to send them a care package full of some of the tasty treats that have been mention on the 'Dope: casu marzu, surströmming, ancient eggs, vegemite, and perhaps a couple durians.
Any such culinary list cannot omit this one.
That seems a little too practical. Couldn’t it be used for preparing homemade haggis?
Ah, but he did try. Not surprised.
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AFAIK, this has never been specifically addressed by the LDS church. Mormonism originally was very much about the imminent arrival of Jesus for the Second Coming, hence the name of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. There would be the Millennium and everything would get sorted out. Small details such as who owns what were never speculated.
The question had concerned the ownership of the land and is answered as above.
For the question concerning the responsibility by the LDS for the movement, this is something which is being debated by various Mormons, ex-Mormons and Mormon watchers.
If I have time, I’d like to write it all up and put it it GD as it’s an interesting question. How much does a church bear responsibility for its followers.
A brief summary:
Ammon, his brother and other original leaders are Mormons.
Their emails and interviews reflect specific Mormon teachings and use phrases which come not only from the Book of Mormon but also reflect modern scriptures and leaders.
Early leaders Joseph Smith and Brigham Young were rough characters and used violence, including murder according to accusations. Historians have agreed that is highly likely for Young and possible for Smith.
The LDS church has historically been anti government, and even “fought” a war against the Federal government back in the 1850s.
For years, the temple ceremony included swearing an oath against the US government.
Book of Mormon theology specifically states that when governments become corrupt it is the duty of the righteous to overthrow them. This is what Ammon and his buddies quote.
The LDS church position is that the US constitution is divinely ghost written but that the government will fail. It will become the duty of Mormons to protect it.
The view that the world has become corrupt is common in Mormonism, the leaders promote this view and use rhetoric which these guys have taken for justification. Leaders ask if the members are prepared to die for the cause, for example.
Despite taking the stand you mentioned, the LDS church could actually do something with real teeth. It could excommunicate or threaten to excommunicate the members who are involved. This would quickly reduce the number of people there.
The LDS church didn’t plan or actively encourage this, but they also bear some responsibility.
Well if we follow the conservative line vis-a-vis Islam, all Mormons are responsible, all Mormons must denounce Bundy actions, and we should document all Mormons just to be sure we can keep an eye on them.
But when it’s done by private business it’s okay, because thanks to the magic of the free market, since corporations don’t (directly) make laws, there’s no possible way they can seriously affect the lives of others like the government can!
In the video, the guy explains that all IP cameras have MAC addresses so that the FBI can monitor you. He didn’t say how them Feds know how to do this, but I’m sure they must be able to, 'cuz why else would all devices have a MAC address, right?
FTR, this is not true. Read the memoirs of Geronimo (it’s available for free as a pdf since it’s in the public domain now. It’s quite short and easy to read, too. And fascinating) - not only was Geronimo quite clear on which parts of the land belonged to which specific tribe, including his own ; he reckoned that the reason his people started dying off or committing suicide in droves after they were sent to live on a reservation in… Mississippi IIRC ? was that they’d been removed from their ancestral lands, which were just right for them specifically and had been made so by God. Breaking that established order of the world broke his people along with it, or so he reasoned.
So there you go, at least one group of Natives who had a clear understanding of land ownership, or at least land claims. Sure, they didn’t draft notarized papers or anything of the sort, but that’s really not the same as not owning it in any real sense.
There is some truth to the notion that the NAs who sold Manhattan thought they’d made a hell of a deal… but it’s because they were actually the ones who lived there, and in their minds they had just stumbled on the largest rube collective ever since they evidently didn’t even know which tribe they were talking to. So those NAs were essentially selling the Brooklyn Bridge to a bunch of tourists and thinking nothing more of it - a grand old New York tradition ! 
Didn’t see this cited here yet: militant crashes van, cited for driving without a license.
According to the article Oregon only cites, and does not arrest, for driving without a license. Too bad.
I wonder if this guy is one of those “sovereign citizens” who think the laws about driver’s licenses, etc. don’t apply to them if they say the right magic words.
So the Oregon State Police cited but did not arrest this sonofabitch. I hope that’s just because the troopers didn’t realize he was one of the YeeHawdists at the time. I understand the Feds’ strategy of de-escalation and waiting the asshats out, but I’m beginning to think that Vanilla Isis is going to get away with this. There’s apparently still power at the refuge, the militants are free to come and go, and the cops are letting in supplies and reinforcements. And the shitheels are free to trash cameras, build roads, and tear down fences. At what point does “we’re waiting them out” become “we’re letting them get away with it?”
Yeah I don’t get this part at all. What is the point of the cops even being there if they’re not arresting anyone who comes and goes? And allowing more people to join? What activity are the cops preventing?
The local sheriff is a sympathizer, so don’t expect any action on his part.