They’ll just put a “D” after their names on Fox News.
Man, they really are the Chosen People.
Weren’t those cameras there all along? Were these guys under the impression that the cameras were installed after they began their occupation, just so they could be spied upon?
I gather these were not new cameras. According to locals posting on OregonLive, these cameras have been there for some time. It’s pretty standard to have cameras trained on places that are not occupied over the winter, so they can be checked remotely. To make sure, you know, that no criminals break in and start camping out there, or no criminals break in and steal equipment or vehicles.
So the cameras functioned as intended; To collect evidence of criminals breaking in and stealing equipment and vehicles.
Not sure why the Bundy-boys are offended that law enforcement is actually collecting evidence of their criminal behaviour. The Bundy boys seem to think that the law does not apply to them. I really don’t know why the Bundy-boys think they are special, and above the law.
How about if we form a group, and go to break into their homes back in the states they come from? Claim them for our own, using weapons? Steal their vehicles? Would they expect some protection from law enforcement if someone did this to them?
Honest question: Is this based somehow on Mormon theology?
I rather doubt it. AFAIK, the NAs never actually “owned” any land, they were just squatters. There is a thing about how the natives traded Manhattan island for some beads and trinkets, and they thought they got the better end of the deal because the idea of owning land was incomprehensible and alien to them. So, since they never laid claim to the land, it would have to revert to whomever first did.
I AM A MONSTER!
And if we don’t know what environment ate them, how do we know what scat to examine?
Its also a CIP requirement (Critical Infrastructure Protection) to monitor electric substations. These probably belong to the power company if there is a substation there. (In which case, the cameras aren’t even pointed at the reserve, they are looking at the substation).
Of course, in this case the resident indians where forcibly removed in a morally repugnant way.
Occupying, using, and being of a place… is a claim.
Even our law recognizes “squatters’ rights” and adverse possession, in some cases, for grounds that have been formally claimed by others. Given that Native peoples generally were indisputably the prior residents of the Americas, natural law is clearly on their side.
Not according to the Church, which came out strongly against when Bundy made a claim based on religion.
I doubt that there is nothing out there that would qualify as critical infrastructure. The most important thing powered by that substation was the cameras that watched the substation.
If its a substation, it needs to be monitored. Those are the rules.
Native Americans understood property rights quite well. Manhattan was sold by the Canarsee, but it was actually the land of the Wappinger, so the whole sale was kind of a joke. Didn’t turn out too funny for the Wappinger though.
If you were a True 'Merican you would not be concerned by these details; you would be focussed on the terrible issue of Increasing Surveillance of ordinary Citizens by the Federal Gummint.
Well, if power companies have to monitor their stuff in case of a big disaster (like terrorism), and these Bundy clowns have destroyed the ability to monitor for a big disaster (like terrorism), then these folks are impeding our ability to protect ourselves against terrorist threats.
Great. So now people who enable terrorists get free lube and dildos, and I get nothing!
They say they will keep the fundraiser going until the occupiers leave and the refuge is once again open to the public.
The four groups they are soliciting funds for are:
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[li]Friends of Malheur National Wildlife Refuge[/li][li]Americans for Responsible Solutions (A pro gun control group)[/li][li]The Burns Paiute Tribe “Kid’s House”[/li][li]The Southern Poverty Law Center[/li][/ul]
I do not know Ammond’s reason for carrying the constitution as his father has publicly stated that he doesn’t even believe the federal government exists but can someone explain how these yahoos ignore the property clause of article iv section 3 clause 2?
I was pleasantly surprised to notice that it only cost six bits to mail a busted gingerbread man to Ritzheimer.
Yeah, up until their Article IV Section 3 clause 2 oversight, they were on firm legal ground.
Can’t possibly explain how they ignored that.