Yep, it is in the link an the witnesses were both family members and uninvolved 3rd parties whom also had to run away from the fire they set.
I may be wrong but, I think you may have missed the sarcastic reference to current active threads on this board and events in the US and Europe surrounding 60% of the world population being held to that same standard.
In the same vein;
How come the Mormon church has not been very loudly and publicly disavowing these terrorists, who are using church doctrine to justify their activities? How come every single Mormon has not been flooding the airwaves with apologies? Huh? Huh? And even if the Church actually has has condemned their actions, I haven’t personally seen it, so it must not exist.
Want to give it to the first that lived there? Make it a wildlife refuge.
And to continue…
Well that was only the LDS church, where are the other churches, I see no condemnation from the pope!!
Where’s the free land in that?
One concerned local citizen you may have heard of had this to say in a letter to the editor of the Oregonian;
[QUOTE=Ursula K. LeGuin]
Ammon Bundy and his bullyboys aren’t trying to free federal lands, but to hold them hostage. I can’t go to the Malheur refuge now, though as a citizen of the United States, I own it and have the freedom of it. That’s what public land is: land that belongs to the public — me, you, every law-abiding American. The people it doesn’t belong to and who don’t belong there are those who grabbed it by force of arms, flaunting their contempt for the local citizens.
Those citizens of Harney County have carefully hammered out agreements to manage the refuge in the best interest of landowners, scientists, visitors, tourists, livestock and wildlife. They’re suffering more every day, economically and otherwise, from this invasion by outsiders.
[/QUOTE]
They’re gonna wake the sheeple!
I finally received my sour candy bags of dicks and sent it on to the good men of Oregon, where they are invited to eat not one, but two bags of dicks. It took longer to be delivered than expected, I’m guessing that there has been a run on bags of dicks to send to Oregon. God speed boys.
Governor of Oregon calls for the federal government to act quickly.
She claims that the siege is costing the state $100,000 a week.
I keep going back and forth in my mind as to whether or not what the feds are doing is the right strategy; but if the Feds want to allow this to continue then maybe they should be picking up the tab.
I think the approach to hang back and avoid arrests and blockades is good.
But the approach of doing nothing is messed up. Ammon is calling for all area ranchers to stop paying their grazing fees, and a lot of them will probably go along with this because the Bundys showed that nothing happens to you when you don’t pay. Start assessing fines now - fine them for lack of payment, for trespassing, for destruction of government equipment, etc. Make them think twice about sitting there while they see the fines rack up and realize they aren’t getting out of this scot-free.
So it’s just a symbolic gesture. What’s the point?
I assume that if he doesn’t pay it, his assets can be attached. I don’t know if an Oregon judge can enforce a fine on someone in another state or not but I have to believe that there are some sort of interstate agreements on such things. Maybe state governments can do things that the feds don’t seem to want to do.
From that article,
(emphasis added)
Quit saying what you could do and what you intend to do, and do it.
The fine is currently in excess of a million, up to 1.4, depending on if it is retroactive. At this point, if the authorities catch Bundy off the refuge and bring him before Judge Grasty, and he refuses to pay the fine (that is, does not claim to be unable to pay yet willing to negotiate), he can be cited for contempt of court and given a nice room with no bail for an indeterminate period of time.
she is absolutely right, the feds have let this go on too long - locals should not have to put up with this shit and all Americans (and the birds!) deserve their wildlife refuge back
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Actually, I wonder if a local judge can fine someone for federal crimes or if it would have to be a federal judge.
I’ve been reading on the media wires that the Nevada militiamen have had their meeting with the locals, and the locals have largely said thanks but will you please go. I also understand that there’s been a couple of arrests, the guys sent into Burns for groceries … duh …
When this is over, come and visit … fly into Boise … rent a car … plenty of accommodations and restaurants in Burns … the Refuge is a true gem of the American Great Basin
The $100,000 a week is Western Oregon money, so Portland will have one less public frisbee golf course.