You’re from Nevada, you know perfectly well how hard it is to keep the Nevada Militiamen supplied … as well as how hard it would be to stop them from being supplied. It’s one hell of a long ways to the next major city of over 2,500 residents. If Sheriff Ward wants to sit in the Hilander sipping coffee and munching elk burgers while all these people bust ass hauling supplies over rough ground … fine … he’s got all the time in the world until the 2018 elections, not to mention all his normal duties.
I think the American People made a choice after Ruby Ridge and Waco … and it’s the right choice … better to wait them out
I think most people don’t want a massacre and want to “wait them out.” That said, the “wait them out” strategy should not give 100% free reign to these perps. That’s where the frustration is coming from.
Turn off the utilities, enforce a perimeter, arrest them as they leave (with proper charges of course), etc would be preferred over the clown show that is going on now.
100% free reign over what? A single building, roadless inhospitable desert wasteland, miles and miles and miles of barbed wire fencing? The frustration is not trusting Law Enforcement to do their job, part of which is to see no one is hurt. You suggest cutting off the water supply to peoples out in a desert, in three days they’re all dead … is that humane? A perimeter, imagine the logistics, hauling supplies for a few hundred people 30 miles, or do we bivouac them in town and drive the shifts back and forth …
… for a single building out in the middle of nowhere.
In winter, it would certainly be more than three days. In any case, the buildings are immediately adjacent to a pond and a river. Surely tough old cowpokes could figure out how to melt ice for drinking water and boil it if they want to purify it.
You don’t have to put their lives at risk, just make it less comfortable and convenient for them.
It’s obvious you know virtually nothing about the refuge, its facilities, or its surroundings. I count at least 18 buildings at headquarters, with a number of roads in the vicinity.
The headquarters area that is occupied is in a loop in a river. You could isolate it with a perimeter of maybe two miles.
Not really. Malheur Lake and nearby wetlands are immediately to the north of headquarters. There are irrigated agricultural fields 3 miles to the south of headquarters, and others 8 miles east.
People are talking as if its necessary to put a perimeter around the entire sprawling refuge. Given that the terrain to the north of headquarters would be impassable even to all terrain vehicles because of streams and marshes, you could isolate it by blockading and patrolling a few miles of roads to the south of it.
Are there any actual charges filled yet? If not, what would be the reason for the arrest? The clown in town was driving a government vehicle (unauthorized).
I’m not aware that the police need to first lay charges before arresting people for trespassing, breaking and entering, unauthorised access to government files and damage to government property. Generally you catch them in the act, then lay charges.
This is the class of people involved (as if we had any doubts). The difference being that the threats against police coming from the Bund are somewhat less explicit and violence is not put forth quite so explicitly.
Not at all. I’m thinking Grand Jury, arrest warrants, and the like. Obviously IANAL (but I did get an A in US Constitutional Law 101 some 46 years ago).
I understand waiting them out. I understanding the difficulty of a perimeter. I understand not wanting to cut off power or water.
What I don’t understand is not arresting every single one that comes into town for supplies. Apparently they’re not being all that surreptitious about their supply runs, so what’s the problem?
My WAG is that if they’re in town buying supplies–assuming they’re not driving someone else’s vehicle–they are not actively breaking the law. Prosecution for trespassing is much harder when the suspect is not arrested in the middle of trespassing.
That brings us back to the problem of maintaining a perimeter. If they have 4WD vehicles, they may not have to use the roads. So how do they keep them from coming back in?
The problem is that they’re all armed, all the time. If you stop a Bundy while they’re shopping in the Piggly Wiggly, there’s no way to ensure that that’s not the moment they suicide by cop.
FWIW, you’re going to have this same problem when you try to arrest them at their homes, assuming they peacefully disperse. At least then there won’t be a critical mass of idiots somewhere, which I don’t find terribly convincing but I think that’s the logic.
