Don’t be stupid, guys. It’s only terrorism when a Muslim does it.
They’ve also called for other armed people to join them at the refuge and if the police try to stop them from getting in, to kill the police.
Yup, terrorists.
There you go. Thank you.
It doesn’t seem that Bundy and friends were going to back down. They set out from last to to create a confrontation with the federal government and were dead set on provoking something. The guy who was killed had made it clear that he intended to never be taken alive, so I really don’t see how much waiting longer would help.
It sounds like there’s only a few people left, so it’s probably just as well that they did it now rather than wait any longer.
Shot! Ha! Real martyrs get burned, skinned, pierced with arrows, crucified upside down, eaten by lions . . . How did the concept get so debased?! 
Anyone else notice this in the call to arms:
Update: The Feds are combing area woods for quick brown foxes and searching vehicles for lazy dogs.
Just as they fit the definition of terrorist as kindly provided in post #1595, they are also martyrs by definition. From Merriam-Webster…
There’s Tarp Man… (bolding mine)
And there’s the rest of the loonies…
That NOTAM only covers up to 3000 feet AGL. WALRUSes (and SEALs, for that matter) can easily jump from 4000,
Malaysia Airlines has some planes available for purchase or rent. Cheap.
Yup, anyone inclined to see these nuts as martyrs would probably hold on to that view regardless of reality. Treating these guys with kid gloves does nothing but embolden like-minded people. It doesn’t prevent anything.
I’m not celebrating Finicum’s death but in a protracted ego-driven standoff like this one, it was inevitable that someone was going to die or get hurt. In any other context, none of us would be surprised, dismayed, or concerned that lethal force was applied to a perp that is armed, noncompliant, and persistent in law-breaking…let alone a perp who had made repeated threats of violence. So why feel these emotions for Finicum? He wanted this to happen and lo behold it did.
Rather than being unhappy that this didn’t resolve without any loss of life, I’m just relieved this episode hasn’t yet cost any innocent people their lives. But the potential for that was always there and still is there.
It sounds like, in spite of the public depiction of them as a bunch of incompetent clowns, these were dangerous radicals who were a real threat to innocent people.
It’s not so much because they don’t want the news recording anything, but to keep the other copters out of the way of the police. The police were using a helicopter to track the movement of the militants, and they didn’t want to deal with trying to avoid a bunch of other copters and drones in the sky at the same time.
Those aren’t necessarily exclusive.
Very true.
Definitely. No reason it has to be multiple choice.
I wish his Suicide-By-Cop/Martyrdom didn’t happen because it was too good for him. Many, many criminals use S-B-C rather than face imprisonment. It seems in this case, it was rather unavoidable and evidence will likely show that. We will see…
Yes & Yes. This was another brushfire, in my opinion handled better than the last, but the possibility of a much larger attack on the country grows more likely all the time. Those movements have been seething, growing and arming for a very long time. They are a very real threat now because they have been treated with kid gloves, even sympathy by the powers that be.
Well HALO, sailor. Looking for a good time?
So what kind of time are they facing for the charges that have been filed?
So far, the maximum penalty for obstructing public employees from doing their jobs is 6 years. I suspect there could be other charges stacked on top of that, but that is what they are being held on.
Destruction of property et al, maybe, hopefully?
Don’t know yet. Also don’t know why they haven’t been charged with treason yet. Article III of the Constitution of the United States of America states:
ISTM that they stated they were warring against the US (at least against the federal government) and that there were far more than two witnesses to their overt act. But IANAL. How do you professional lawyers see that?