The Oregonian had some misleading headlines today, stuff like “occupation over (only 4 people remain)”. I’m not sure anything had actually happened by that point, although it might have been in the works.
At 3:35 PST, OBP tweeted “Authorities say situation is secure, but at least one person still inside the refuge.” A press conference in Burns is supposedly starting soon.
Ballad of a Tarp Man? Someone has to do this.
…and thus it ends with a bang and a whimper.
So how did you hear or see this info if not on the Oregonian’s website? You said “The Oregonian is saying…”; do you have a minute-by-minute subscription or something, so that someone throws photocopied updates on your driveway all day long?
There is a separate website for subscribers. The headline there now is “Occupiers Leave Malheur.” But when you read deeper, it says many of them left and only 5 (at the time) remain. I suspect this is where the confusion comes from.
And there’s no need to be an asshole.
Ah, okay; thanks. I didn’t know that.
Go fuck a cactus, shithead. If Chefguy had answered the question we both asked in the first place, I wouldn’t have felt a need to press him on where he was getting his info.
I bet it doesn’t taste like victory.
Once again, The Oregonian and Oregonlive are not the same thing. They are different websites. I live in Portland. I have a full subscription to the paper, both printed and online. I went to the online paper to print out the crossword puzzle and saw the front page headline. Happy now?
Just saw your last post. I really don’t spend all my time on this website watching for questions from you. Sorry to burst your ego.
There’s a Tarp Man
Waiting in the sky
I guess he really blew it
When he met the FBI…
That’s OK. This whole two-sites thing is really confusing. Some people have to be told a few times before they get it.
Criminal complaint against the first group of nutters who were captured. http://media.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/other/2016/01/27/Bundy,%20et%20al%20Redacted%20Complaint.pdf
Medical vans on the scene at the refuge now. And the Oregon State Medical Examiner’s Office just confirmed that the person killed Tuesday was Finicum. With this kind of turnaround, we should hear if this is over any week now.
I prefer to think of terrorists as people who kill innocent people and on the face of it, these guys were just a bunch of blustering dumbass trespassers.
But let’s not forget that the patriot/militia movement which they were a part of resulted in the Oklahoma City bombing. Timothy Mcveigh friend, supporter and probable co-conspirator Gary Hunt, who spent the 90s hanging around Elohim City with white supremacists and militias, had showed up at the refuge in Oregon on Sunday. Some of the Bundy rhetoric which seems so foreign and silly to us comes from those same racist extremists that formed into militias in the 90s, the same groups that Timothy Mcveigh hung around and probably helped him carry out his bombing.
I don’t know if Ammon Bundy is a terrorist, but he’s up to his ears in terrorist culture.
Beware of any man calling himself a patriot.
The LA Times had this from an interview with the remaining 4: “In interviews with the Times, Anderson and two others, including her husband, Sean, conveyed a complicated position: They said they would leave peacefully — but only if they are assured they will not go to prison. They said they had not spoken with an FBI negotiator since about midnight.”
As if it wasn’t already obvious, the occupiers are a few cans short of a six pack. “We’ll call it even if you just let us go and don’t arrest us.” Like any LEO in the world would want to set that precedent. I fully expect the others that were catalogued at the refuge are going to be getting a tap on the shoulder for crimes and/or billed for the damage caused.
Technically, Bob did not “charge the officer/agent”, he is described as reaching for his waist, where he was known to keep a pistol. It is kind of a different thing. Charging could, in theory, be handled with something like a taser or maglite. Moving one’s hand gunwardly is a little more difficult to defend.
Too bad he missed his 56th birthday party on Wednesday.
Regarding the definition of terrorism, I think the UN definition is a lot closer to common sense / common speech than the US legal code.
an act “intended to cause death or serious bodily injury to a civilian, or to any other person not taking an active part in the hostilities in a situation of armed conflict, when the purpose of such act, by its nature or context, is to intimidate a population, or to compel a government or an international organization to do or to abstain from doing any act.”
Under the US domestic terrorism rules, Green Peace could be convicted of terrorism if a non violent protest is deemed “dangerous”.
Under the UN definition, the Bundys and their followers are in no way shape or form terrorists. Theres plenty of other things they can be charged with. Save Terrorism for when its needed.
Yeah, not domestic terrorists. Definitely domestic dumb-asses. Let them sumo wrestle their way out of this. I’m sure their pocket constitutions will come in real handy the next few months.
The FBI has released the full video of the pursuit and shooting of Finicum. The shooting occurs around the 9 minute mark.
It looks like he initially exits the truck with his hands up, but then lowers his hands and fumbles at his waist as the officers close in around him.
In the press conference going on now, they showed footage from a plane overhead. Finicum got out of the truck with his hands up initially, then reached for his pocket where he had a 9mm gun.
Here’s the unedited video.
FBI releases video of Finicum’s end. Sure looks to me like he went for his gun, or at least tried very hard to make it look that way.
Edit: ninja’d