I’m not seeing this on their website (yet). Where did you hear it?
I’ve completely missed out on this bit. What did he say when he charged?
I did, however, see this delicious news: Ammon Bundy gets his own doughnut from Voodoo Doughnuts, home of favorites like the Maple Blazer Blunt, the Cock-N-Balls (with cream filling), and the Old Dirty Bastard.
I can only assume it tastes like justice.
Yes, pearly, sticky justice . . .
Don’t worry madmonk, we won’t let them take you alive.
Even if he crossed his old man back in Oregon?
Remember when they played “annoying rock music” outside Noriega’s hideout during Operation Just Cause? What kind of music would most annoy these guys?
I’d go with salsa. 
What’s Gloria Estefan doing these days? She could do a command performance of the Conga Song to help end things.
“The Stars and Stripes Forever.”
Jimi’s Star Spangled Banner?
Apparently David Fry is concerned about “weird shit”.
Reports in the last half hour are that 4 federal vehicles left the refuge, possibly with people in the back. Might be over for real?
Yes, that’s why I said better if no one killed. Perhaps more or less inevitable, but better if not.
Because that’s not what the word means. See above.
There is no one participating in this definitional debate who thinks that. Several clear examples of domestic non-Muslim terrorism were given (and agreed) above.
It’s a sad tribute to unthinking tribalism that one merely has to point out that the definition of a particular pejorative doesn’t fit a particular behaviour for people to reach wildly inaccurate conclusions about one’s views.
Firstly the definition is a legal definition (ie one designed to obtain convictions) not a common speech definition and lacks the key factor contained in most standard definitions (ie having a key goal of striking terror).
Secondly, to fit the definition the act has to have all the characteristics at once.
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occupation of an unmanned wildlife refuge is not a dangerous or violent act. Even if it fits the definition in some technical fashion, it’s weaksauce compared to setting a bomb or gunning people down at random.
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charging police is not intended to coerce or intimidate the government, it’s just some loon who’s been cornered losing his shit. And again, even if it technical breach, do you really want to argue that a single nutter charging at some well prepared police is meaningfully intended to “coerce or intimidate the government”? Seriously?
Staging lights have been taken down at one of the FBI checkpoints to the reserve. There’s no official statement as of yet, but media at the roadblocks are tweeting that there is a lot of activity - fed vehicles going in and out of the refuge.
Robert “LaVoy” Finicum
Any country western songs yet? I don’t see much for rhyming but verse isn’t my strong suit. We’ve got some artists on this board to help out.
A couple of things bother me. He vowed not to be taken alive. Charging at the Feds with a weapon would be expected; not raising his hands, kneeling down, or laying down as is being pedaled on some right wing sites. Are his fellow “patriots” trying to cheapen his death by calling him out for surrendering? I get trying to make him a martyr but they are describing his death as something less than mythic. If they get to calling him a hero, I’ll throw up. All hat, no cattle.
No regrets here over his death. Threatened to kill federal and county agents, workers, birdwatchers. His group threatened, followed and harassed townsfolk. A fair case for kidnapping children as well.
If it’s not terror it is just something worse. Why debate that?
This Lavoy fellow basically announced he was willing to die over being arrested for crimes that he had already been guilty of, and was subject to arrest for. He threatened the government with violence and he was basically an armed fugitive, which is dangerous. Not a good guy, or someone you want near your family or in our building.
Oregon Live and The Oregonian are two separate sites. The latter is a subscription version of the paper, which is why I didn’t link to it.
You’re ignoring the fact that the Refuge wasn’t unmanned at all until the Bundyites showed up waving guns around, threatening people.