Well the Beavertonhas taken the ball and run with it.
Ah, so you enjoyed being shoved by someone else then? If I came to your work and frog-marched you to your desk, you’d be okay with that? Canadian Criminal Law/Offences/Common Assault - Wikibooks, open books for an open world
Notice the law doesn’t mention the scale of the action or whether the person on the receiving end should suck it up and stop being butthurt about it or even if anyone would bring charges forward on it. By the definition of the law the PM committed an assault on another member in the HOC on camera.
Lets go a little further (I’ll add highlights to the text):
The PM can’t even say he was attempting to do his job by getting everyone to their desks as the exercise of authority doesn’t give him justification for the assault.
Yep. And if Mr. Harper had done this, well, the torches and pitchforks would be out. I’m serious. He may even have been actually charged with an assault. I can’t even imagine how completely blown out of proportion this would have been if Mr. Harper grabbed a Liberal MP by the sleeve, dragged him through a crowd and elbowed an NDP member in the tits.
Oh, and Trudeau also said “Get the fuck out of my way” on the way there.
But it’s OK for Prime Minister Glamorous. Double fucking standard and I’m tired of the bullshit.
ETA: Canadian Conservatives are not like American Conservatives; they’re actually quite rational. Don’t conflate the two, like many Facebook idiots have done and continue to do.
Did you watch the video? Because while Trudeau was being stupid and rude, the elbow was pretty obviously unintentional.
I never mentioned the elbow. That was most likely unintentional. I’m referring to the Whip being herded through the, well,… herd (seems appropriate for NDP’ers to be called that!). As to whether during this assault anyone hurt unintentionally as a result of it adds to the offence, I don’t know. But she was clearly hit by the PM during the assault.
I’m not sure if it was intentional or not, but he clearly bullied his way in (Get the fuck out of my way), and bullied his way out and didn’t give a shit who he was in contact with.
For the record, I’m not foaming at the mouth or anything, but I absolutely am sure that if Mr. Harper had behaved in this manner that the media would be calling for his head.
You know that’s a fact. It’s just the way it is in the media, and schools: Conservatives bad.
Well frankly, it’s a bit hard to imagine. Harper’s level of impetuosity was nowhere near sufficient to ever contemplate engaging in such a stunt. If he had done, I imagine the levels of outrage would be approximately reversed.
If the NDP were so devious they’d be in power and would never let it go. Even if the NDP managed to trick JT into falling into such a pathetic trap, then the PM should be booted for being such an idiot for falling for it.
But no, there is no reason to believe the NDP were hatching some plot. Their history proves they are just not that smart. They were standing and blocking that portion of the aisle. It really doesn’t matter why they were doing it.
The Whip could have opened his eyes and walked around them on his left on the other side of the table and easily made it back to his chair. It doesn’t matter that he didn’t do so. At no point did he need any assistance from the PM.
Nothing any of them were doing, whether their intentions were nefarious or not, justified JT’s actions. He committed an assault and if he didn’t have such good hair, he’d likely be talking to the police.
OMG ! Conservatives are so hair obsessed! Hijabs! attack ads! “His hair!His hair!”
Give it a rest already.
Stop being butt hurt because he has nice hair, or is good looking, or is popular, or photogenic. Y’all make yourselves seem so lame when you whine about this crap!
[QUOTE=elbows;19344329)Stop being butt hurt because he has nice hair, or is good looking, or is popular, or photogenic. Y’all make yourselves seem so lame when you whine about this crap![/QUOTE]
When his looks, popularity (based upon his looks), and his lineage get him elected PM, yes we care. That he is acting like a spoiled child that we assumed he was, confirms our beliefs.
That you took the jab I made about his hair and didn’t mention the points I was making about the assault tells me what matters to you. (But then maybe I’m baiting you into an ingenious trap! Bwehahaha! A trap so cunning you could pin a tail on it and call it a weasel!)
What JT proved here is that he was a former bouncer and school teacher. He attempted to corral the kids and get them to do what he wanted and he did it in a way that he’d escort a drunk out the door of the club. That’s what was elected and that’s what we got.
Your valid points were not my issue. When y’all winge that he got elected because he’s pretty, or his name you sound like whining children. That you’re still clinging to that, after all this time is, well, just sad.
Stick to actual points not your hysteria because he’s attractive or popular or has nice hair or was a teacher or a bouncer. He got elected the same way Mr Harper did, WE (all of us) elected him!
The whining is so childish it’s very hard to take you seriously, to be honest.
I don’t know where you got that I enjoyed it but it wasn’t a experience that made me so faint that I had to remove myself and sit to collect my thoughts to such an extent that I would miss an important vote. As well I was speaking solely of Ms. Brosseau here.
I did not interpret what I was on the video as Mr. Trudeau frog marching the Conservative Whip to his seat. I saw man impatient with the game of “block him” that some MPs were playing and came down, impetuously, to guide the Whip through the knot of people. I saw Mr. Trudeau grab the Whip’s elbow for the purpose of guiding him through the group of MPs blocking his way. He was rude and impatient but I didn’t see assault on the Whip. I think the video linked to by **Muffin **supports this interpretation.
I certainly support the notion that Mr. Trudeau’s actions were wrong and while they may add up to the legal definition of assault I don’t see them as reaching the common definition. He was hot headed, impatient and unnecessarily confrontational. He will be censured I’m sure and I’m OK with that. I just don’t see this rising up to the brouhaha that others are making of it.
Did Justin Trudeau never play hockey? Doesn’t he know that the captain of the team never does the enforcing? He should just have sent in a backbencher. Or Dominic LeBlanc - he looks pretty burly. 
More seriously, he should have kept his temper, stood up and said “Point of privilege Mr Speaker. Some members of the NDP appear to be impeding the progress of the Opposition Whip and delaying the ability of this House to vote.”
I can’t help but wonder if this whole thing would’ve happened if everyone was just a bit nicer to each other and better-behaved in parliament. (And when I say “everyone,” I do mean people of all the parties.)
And I’m wondering if this thing will blow over or if it’ll have some lasting repercussions.
Had Harper, or more likely John Baird, done such a thing we would’ve had Liberals and the NDP swooning on fainting couches declaring the fascist nature of the government.
It would have been equally stupid.
Trudeau’s agenda, especially bill C-14 tied to a SCC ruling to have a law in place by the 6th of June, is large. It seems to me he’s discovering that achieving such an agenda with his declared desire for unlimited debate is either going to require limiting debate or getting comfortable with the opposition doing whatever they can to limit how much can get done.
Or, you know, simply had the government whip sit down so a vote could proceed.
This is the typical cant of the self-pitying Tory fucking nuthugs that has been prevalent since Canada’s liberation. <– FTR I neither know if nor do I assert that you are a self-pitying nuthug. I stand by my assertion that you are a Tory.
And, for curiosity’s sake, how much time do you spend in schools that you can confidently make that assertion?
Had Harper done this no one would have commented about it because we would all be in stunned silence over the fact that that pasty fucking dough-slug could rouse hisself to face another person without his thugs to stand in front of him.
The NDP were definitely standing to obstruct. Further I object to the inherent implication that the NDP are gormless fools because that implies that anyone who IS NDP is, by definition a gormless fool, and I consider that a wide-ranging personal insult.
And if Trudeau’s behaviour rises to the level of criminal assault then I would suggest that you stay away from any place where people congregate. You will see a great many assaults occur in the course of someone going from point a to point b. It is difficult to navigate a crowd without making contact with a few people.
Further, fucking REALLY? You think this is the sort of piddly-shit the police should be spending their time on? Tough on crime is one thing but Holy-waste-of-time-and-money-to-score-political-points Batman.
As your 1st point, he was just following the lead of the Right Honourable Jean Chretien and performing a “sunny ways” Shawinigan Handshake.
As to your 2nd point. I cordially disagree. The MP’s were behaving like petulant children. To rise to the point of privilege would put him in the same league as the kid who says, “Teacher kids are being mean and I want you to stop them for me please, if you can.”
Trudeau’s actions, to extend the metaphor, put him in the place of the teacher enforcing discipline in the classroom. I’m cool with that.
Harper would have whinged about it to the teacher.
I don’t expect perfection from politicians, I expect human reactions tempered by restraint which is what I think Trudeau showed.
And to whoever said that the Tory Whip could have “just gone around the table” no he couldn’t have.
The table separates the government from the non-government and the ground is inviolable unless you are switching parties (crossing the floor). It likely didn’t occur to him to do so owing to a lack of motivation and (more importantly) respect for Canadian parliamentary convention.
'Sides he’d have had to stop and bow to the mace which the Tory nuthugs would have insisted was a show of fealty to the wondrously-haired one.
Yeah, except that he was being intentionally obstructed and clearly did not wish to “manhandle” people in order to allow for the business of government to proceed.
Personal insults done through the back door. Nice.