The Constitution according to taggert: agree with him or you are a traitor to America

The BBQ Pit
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taggert, you hijacked this thread to expound on your extraordinarily narrow view, and a little trip to the dictionary is in order to clear up your apparent confusion between liberal and libertine and their relationship to traitor, all of which words you seem to define as *anyone who disagrees with you.

From Webster’s New Twentieth Century Dictionary, Second Edition, Unabridged, © 1975, lib’er-al, a. 4. free; not literal or strict; as a liberal interpretation of the Constitution. 5. not narrow or bigoted; broad-minded. 6. of democratic or republican forms of government, as distinguished from monarchies, aristocracies, etc. 7. favoring reform or progress, as in religion, education, etc.; specifically, favoring political reforms tending toward democracy and personal freedom for the individual lib’er-al, n. 1. one who advocates greater freedom of thought or action; one who has liberal principles

lib’er-tine, n. 2. one who indulges his desires without restraint; a rake; a debauchee 3. [L-] a member of a pantheistic sect of the sixteenth century in Holland, who maintained nothing is sinful but to those who think it sinful, and that perfect innocence is to live without doubt .

Living without doubt seems more in line with conservatives of your ilk, politically speaking, than with liberals. In any case the equation “liberal = libertine = traitor” that you have asserted as some sort of universal truth marks you not as a thoughtful and intelligent person, but an ignorant and unreasonable one. And in my personal lexicon ignorant and unreasonable = taggert = FULL OF SHIT.

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I’ll be the first to say it:

WOOOOOOOOSH!

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Geezer, it is my unfounded and uneducated opinion (except that I’ve been posting and/or lurking since the AOL days) that taggert is either a) playing an extremist role for grins, b) a bad troll (in that people think he’s playing a role for grins), or c) a returning incarnation of one of the many who shall not be named.

And taggert, it is again my unfounded and uneducated opinion that playing the devil’s advocate is fun and wonderful from time to time, but as a full-time persona, it gets boring. Do a search on Barking Spider or december (btw, where’d he go to–I’ve not seen anything from him in weeks) to see reactions to the unthinking party-line drone.

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Awww, give the guy a break. He can’t even spell his own name.

Be still Taggart.

It’s all right. Shhh… it’s all right Taggart. Just a man and a horse being hung out there.

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I’m curious. Maybe “Taggart” was already taken and thus “Taggert” was the second choice. {Dare I say it this way?} Enlighten us as to why the choice of spelling, Tag!

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Well Billy, I looked long and hard on the internet for the correct spelling, I decided on the lower case. I couldn’t find it.

Is it an honor to have one’s own Pit Thread?

Liberals are un-American. Why do you think it was called the House Un-American Activicties Committee and went after liberals? Because the Congress used to know how to silence liberals. Ah, the good old days. As Charlton Heston remarked during the Elia Kazan controversy a few years back, it was the duty of right thinking people to turn in fellow travellers.

And while I don’t know what the hell a troll is, I do know what a hijack is. I did not hijack the thread. The thread was about Ann Coulter saying that liberals were traitors. I’m no hijacker.

I gather a troll is some sort of satirist. I am no satirist.

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sfosky nailed it. Insomuch as I never have found trolling of any sort ( satirical or otherwise ) very humorous in the first place and since his/her views as stated would be way off the extremist deep-end if they are genuine ( which I tend to doubt ), I see no reason to spend time debating him/her. It’s a waste of electrons any way you go.

If someone wants to do so for fun, more power to you. But personally, I don’t get the appeal.

  • Tamerlane
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I agree - with the exception of I wish he hadn’t evoked those other entitites.

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Okay, I’ve done the search, and Barking Spider is a really cool name. But he does seem a tad racist. Other than that, I like his posts.

As for december, a black conservative railing against the NAACP? I admire the guy’s conservative credentials, and I agree on the no quotas favoring black people because they discriminate against whites, but I think that picking on the NAACP for being in favor of quotas is a little like asking the Pope to appoint a few women cardinals. No sane person would ask it.

But back to flaming me for flaming liberals. Since liberals are mostly atheists, we’d better get them used to the flames, because they are all going to roast for an eternity. Damn bleeding hearts.

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**december ** never has claimed to be black. Has a black cousin. Is white Jewish male, married to a professor. Says he’s an acuary (I think - anyhow insurance, numbers, stats etc.).

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taggert-just SHUT UP. It’s getting old. Drop the fucking gimmick.

It’s not funny.

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no shit Guin. I’m picturing taggert sitting in his study, fingers tented, a droll smile on his face…thinking he’s clever.

It was funny the first time.

now…it is not.

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I’d even go so far as to say it was funny the first several times. But now I’m leaning towards stofsky’s option “c”.

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Liberals are all atheists and are going to roast for an eternity!

Sorry, no sale. You couldn’t be more obvious if you had just typed NOTICE ME!!! over and over again. Shoo.

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Taggart is spelled with an ‘a’, unfortunately, saith the Internet Movie Data Base.

But he’s still one of the best political satirists we have here until Bob Boudelang shows up. Shine on, you crazy diamond.

Some of ya don’t like reading it? There are other forums besides the Pit.

And december could at least have given us a Cartmanesque “Screw you guys, I’m going home”, couldn’t he?

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Well, spectre, I might have been whooshed. I’m fairly short, and a lot of stuff goes over my head, literally.

And taggert, you did hijack the thread. I started it, and it was about John Walker Lindh getting off too easy, in my not so humble opinion. Somebody else mentioned Ann Coulter, I’ve never even read her. Then you stated that execution might scare off the liberals, whom you charactarized as traitors, one and all. If you were trolling, I have indeed been whooshed. If you were serious, you have completely destroyed your credibility in any further argument either here in the pit or anywhere else. Generalizations like yours are simply unreasonable, and, of course, untrue. What it comes down to is, you are either a troll or a fool. Either way you are not worth bothering with any longer.

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stofsky: Sorry about misspelling your name earlier :). Don’t know why I read it sfosky ( and still seem to ).

  • Tamerlane
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taggert,

-I was raised in a Christian home. (Both parents are pastors.)
-I am a devout Lutheran Christian who goes to church every Sunday.
-I also go to Youth Group on Wednesday.
-I have *never touched an illegal drug in my life.
-Nor have I taken controlled substances unless under a strict doctor’s orders.
-Nor have I ever smoked.
-The only times I imbibe alcohol are during the Eucharists.
-I hate Communism.
-I love the United States and the freedoms it provides.

Under your definition, is there any possibility I could be a liberal?

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DesertGeezer.

Did not hijack. Talked plenty about JWL in your JWL thread. Ann Coulter, whom you admit you have not read, was the very first person IIRC who called for JWL’s execution in order to scare liberals. My posts were in fact very similar to yours, 'cept I don’t have so big a boner on JWL personally getting a dirty toxic needle. Also, you keep saying you are going to ignore me and that I am full of shit and not worth responding to. Why not ignore me and my powerfully persuasive views and irrefutable logic? Because it can’t be done. It’s like someone saying “Dali Elephants, don’t think about them.” You just can’t not think about them. I’m not an attention hog, I hope, but I am a conservative. That does mean I am entitled to the last word. Also 'cuz the thread is a flame of me.

Other people who don’t like my views: See above about Dali Elephants: No like, no read. Okay? Don’t infringe on my right to my opinion and my free speech. Liberals apparently only believe in free speech when it is liberal speech. Exercise your right not to read it. Kinda like when Bill Bennett comes on the tube you roll your eyes and change the channel. On the other hand, if you don’t want to “change the channel”, that’s fine too. Or, if you like, keep whining about it.
Soup, back to basics, and thank you for the inquiry:

Why is it that you “hate Communism”. Is this any different than The Right Reverend Jerry Falwell claiming that he hates the sinner and loves the sin when talking about gay people? I know that Falwell is giving a wink to hating gays, and I disapprove of it. Log cabin Republicans are gay, conservative and proud of it. Why don’t you just come out and say you hate Communists rather than the ism? And the you here is general, as I don’t want to foster a tone of flaming. Or do you love Communists. That would make you a Commie lover, wouldn’t it?

Soup, you sound like you have a very good upbringing and your head on straight. I was unaware that Lutherans prohibited alcohol, but if you are underage, it is wise not to drink. If you ever do start drinking, remember never to drink to excess. One drink every once in a while can add to the enjoyment of a meal. I have seen too many fine human beings whose lives have been ruined by this cheap, available, easy, legal and socially approved high. The lives of their loved ones are seriously damaged too. Do I think you might be a liberal? Based on what you have told me, I’d say you are about 18 (youth group clue), probably male (talk about freedoms), B+ student or better (regular weekly routines, educated and committed parents) and liberal except on weekdays, Saturdays and Sundays, or you wouldn’t have asked the question. You want to change the world and believe in the inherent goodness of people.

Since there is a lot of definitions of liberal rolling around the sentences that are not condemning me to the Pit of … well, this Pit, let me offer a few thoughts.

There is a political school called Classic Liberalism. These are the principles of Locke and other Enlightenment political philosphers who thought like he did. Most Americans are Classic Liberals, including yours truly. But the kind of liberals conservatives like me find so distressing are not principled Classic Liberals, they add a bunch of bleeding heart “We’re all responsible for each other” crap that it becomes something else entirely.

What I like about people like Bill Bennett and Ann Coulter and George Bush is that they say it like they see it, and they don’t get caught up in “nuance”. They say their side was elected not to balance everyone’s views, but to push hard for the views that they have. And I couldn’t agree more.

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Need a “whooosh” thingy here…