As I pointed out, if Allwalker could have been last to vote, we would not be were we are now.
One or the Other, if not both, did indeed happen.
How is this not scummy?
You mean back when we still had execution, right?
Yeah. Who has the silver bullet, and squashes it?
What?
This, and the previous time you translated my comments on Sinner bulletproof let me know, you know what I mean here Mahaloth.
It was a silver bullet to halt sinfections. We never used it. Not because I failed to do something, not because you failed to do something.
Someone else sqaushed a silver bullet on Sinfection.
Meeko, what are you thinking about toMorrow?
Lynch Rysto?
Hmmmm My guess is that if the BH take out an unsinfected then the sinners are probably gonna win tonight. If they take out a Sinfected town… then they win. If they take out a sinner we will still be around.
That’s just my guess though.
Oh and Meeko… how do you know that Allwalker made anything up? I’m inclined… as I was… to believe him. All we know is his role, not the true conditions of his role. He was town investigator, nothing in the info we were given that revealed that precludes him from being sinproof. And the reason he didn’t add “You are town” to his role PM is because it wasn’t in the role PM he was given. I am positive on that fact. There is one rule all town should always follow. A rule that Pedescribe disagrees with in fact (which kinda makes me raise an eyebrow at leaving that specific line out of AW’s PM) which is to never ever ever lie as a townie.
If this game isn’t over at Dawn I won’t be voting for Rysto. I’m positive that he is a sinner and the Meeko has converted to the sinner wincon. If town hasn’t lost by Dawn, we NEED to lynch BH in order to win.
Pedescribe, Does a Sinner win pre-empt a Blackheart win?
Oh… and questioning the motives of someone who played their role well and was proven town upon death is scummier than all the shit in the NYC sewage system Meeko…
Whoops! Forgot for a sec that AW’s Claim had Rysto investigated as a BH… so yeah… he gets my vote tomorrow.
Ah, I thought for a moment you had caught “Meekoitits”.
I will keep this in mind. I can only hope you do the same.
It seems to be an issue now, that we might not make it till dawn.
In that case:
Should we look at EVERYONE that posted VT ? I mean, really, do we all believe that?
So…
Peekercpa
Confirmed Blackheart:
Rysto - this was as a result of last Night’s investigation
Confirmed Sinner:
none
Untested:
BillMC (paulwhoisaghost)
Inner Stickler
Joey P.
Mahaloth
Thing Fish
that’s what AW gave us… we now know it to be true.
We need to take out BH from now on so…
Confirmed Blackheart:
Rysto - this was as a result of last Night’s investigation
Tomorrow’s obvious lynch
But then who?
BillMC (paulwhoisaghost): I’m town so it’s me… pure town in fact… well sorta… I’m prayin 
Inner Stickler: I am convinced that he was town to begin with based on the facts that his role PM was so similar to mine (which makes sense because we both subbed in) and the he claimed before me so he couldn’t be copying my PM.
Meeko: Almost positive he has been ensinned. Would have been the best target for the sinners because a “confirmed town” would be a huge gain if they converted to the sinner wincon. Town would trust their intentions… meanwhile they would be misleading town. Meeko thought that his role as mason was useless… and downplayed it (maybe in an attempt to gauge how much we were willing to trust him). Plus he is new to the game and at least makes it seem like he doesn’t really know how the fuck the game should be played or what is expected of town. Or simple rules like town doesn’t lie. Anyway… what I’m getting at is that he wouldn’t think twice to convert to the sinner wincon in order to spice up the game a little and realign himself with someone after Ed was killed. As town we have 2 other factions hiding and trying to get us lynched… As sinner you only have one other faction trying to lynch you if you started as a confirmed town and switched to the sinner wincon. There is no doubt in my mind that Meeko took the sinner wincon.
We need to lynch BH not sinner… so non of those 3 are gonna get my vote… I wish I had a silencing power to use on Meeko though. He’s not only distracting, but now I don’t even think his confusing posts can be trusted…
Anyway that leaves,
Joey P.
Mahaloth
Thing Fish
Lets examine ways that the game would not be over yet considering what I believe is the current tally of factions.
Town =2 (me and IS)
Sinner =1 (but has 3 toward their wincon… the original, Meeko, and myself… I have the town wincon, but am currently sinfected until after I finish praying toNight)
BH = 2 (That’s all that remains.)
Balancewise this is the only way the game could still be occuring and not have one of the factions have won. Town has to eliminate the BH and impure townies to win right? Well… then we lost already… We are the minority right now, the sinners are skewing the votes to lynch non sinners instead of taking out BH… and the BH want the town dead… So we don’t control the vote…
Sinner’s have to sinfect everyone left alive to win… I don’t think that has happened yet. It’s Night 5… there are 7 players left alive right now… 6 if you don’t count the original sinner. So as of right now there has to be at least two players that are free of the seed of sin. This is not taking alignment into consideration. That means the worst case scenario for town as far as the sinners are concerned is if the BH take out one of those players and the sinners sinfect the other. Well… not quite… because even then I become free of sin at Dawn due to my prayer. So there would be, at minimum, myself or one other player still free of sin.
I believe that the Blackhearts win when all town aligned are dead right? I fear that may be just myself and IS… or just myself… so I fully expect one of us to be dead in the morning… and the Blackhearts to kill the other via lynch Tomorrow. Oh… unless of course the Sinners sinfect the player that the Blackhearts don’t kill, and that player chooses to take the sinner wincon… making them no longer town aligned… then the BH can win this game at Dawn. Congratulations Blackhearts.
If I did get this correct… then I laugh in Meeko’s face for turning against town and taking the sinner wincon… in essence dooming both town and the sinners to a loss. If I am wrong… then… well… No, you know what… I still think it was a shit move.
FTR : As far as I can tell, Allwalker didn’t play his role well. If the controversy in the claim came from Allwalker, or straight from Pede, I don’t know.
FWIW : No one has yet to claim “You are Blackheart / You Are Sinner”. I simply called out someone that had pinged me early on. My tests came up positive. However, I didn’t think that false positives could occur.
When his time to claim came, he offered an edited claim. Beyond that, the claim did NOT say “You are Town”.
Give me blame here if you want, but I know that I have no more than 33% of it.
Further, the learning curve here was steep. I might not know the exact order to the elements of game in, but I DO have a game.
Call it an Excuse, Call it a Reason, Call it being a victim of circumstance. Call it anything you want.
This game has been more of an uphill battle than your average Mafia game. We Didn’t make it easier. This is after all, the first game for some of the people playing.
It is easy to back seat drive here Paul, who, might I point out, has died how many times?
In the words of the great Johnny Cage.
Let’s Dance.
I lied now? ***Really? ***
Elaborate.
No doubt that I have sinner wincon. ***Really? ***
Give me any test you can think of to prove I am not Sinner. I will take it.
I wish I had a silencing power to use on Meeko though. He’s not only distracting, but now I don’t even think his confusing posts can be trusted.
It would be interesting, if you were scum, and just saw a masterstroke here.
If I did get this correct… then I laugh in Meeko’s face for turning against town and taking the sinner wincon… in essence dooming both town and the sinners to a loss. If I am wrong… then… well… No, you know what… I still think it was a shit move.
Interesting, you don’t even begin to entertain the fact, that I could have figured out that Sinners are more screwed than Town is.
Damn. We, and by we I primarily mean I, really suck at this game.
I was SO SURE we had finally caught scum. Well, Tomorrow for sure…if there is one. I fear that our chance to play another Day may depend on our Doc (who apparently decided not to claim) blocking the nightkill. And, if AllWalker was telling the whole truth, which I assume he was, we should even get another investigation result!
I will have more to say later. For now, I would just like to point out that paul’s dead certainty that (a) Inner Stickler is Town and (b) Meeko is a Sinner strikes me as unwarranted…I would say suspicious, but paul has already demonstrated twice in this game that he seems scummy to me even when he is not, so who knows?
Are you kidding me? I’m the only one who didn’t just lynch the town investigator… and you would think I was suspicious if I didn’t constantly throw off scummy vibes? (I know this is an issue… I still don’t know how to solve it.)
Whatever… I’m putting my thoughts out there… I guess I should expect that reaction from you TF since I pretty much said that you are either Original Sinner or Blackheart… If you are town, then you are right and IS is not town. But I don’t see how you cannot think that Meeko has turned sinner…
The Catch-22 here is this :
If I had been less active, I am positive I would ping even more people than I am pinging right now.
**Pede What all is revealed at game end? **
Where did I say you lied? I said that you changed your wincon. Since your wincon is no longer the same as mine I cannot trust you. I think this question from you kind of indicates how you are playing badly… you seem to think that if you didn’t say something, I can’t infer it. I dunno the rules of haggle, but here I don’t need any concrete evidence to be convinced you are scum. In fact, very rarely are we given any solid evidence to base our lynches on.
Alright Meeko… let’s entertain the “fact”… explain to me in number with the remaining players how the sinners could be more screwed than town. I demonstrated numbers that showed what I truly believe is the current state of the game… you do that same and I’ll reconsider.