The problem is, what reference will talk about this type of things and be really uncontestable? What i supposely know is that the same thing can have a lot of representations. Supposely one of the Moloch is that owl. Sorry.
One of the men that support all this crazy thing is called William Scnoebelen.
spyderkill:
This is just a theory that i saw in the internet, so please, control yourself. It’s just a text, nobody is saying that this is what you should believe.
That’s not a theory, in any meaningful sense. It has no evidence, it makes no predictions, it can’t be falsified. It’s a fairy tale. I would treat it exactly the same way as one treats Game of Thrones, a diversion for entertainment purposes only. There are thousands of “just so” stories out there - none of which are any more meaningful than this one.
If it’s just a fairy tale, why do you think it matters? You think it somehow relates to a bunch of rich guys getting together for a retreat in the woods but there’s no reason to believe that. Feel free to tell tall tales, but if you want a discussion you’ll need to bring more than what you’ve got.
In addition, you don’t know the history or context of any of the things you’re talking about, you ignore people trying to educate you on those topics, and you seem angry that people are calling you out on the obvious bullshit parts of the story that are verifiably wrong.
Telemark:
That’s not a theory, in any meaningful sense. It has no evidence, it makes no predictions, it can’t be falsified. It’s a fairy tale. I would treat it exactly the same way as one treats Game of Thrones, a diversion for entertainment purposes only. There are thousands of “just so” stories out there - none of which are any more meaningful than this one.
If it’s just a fairy tale, why do you think it matters? You think it somehow relates to a bunch of rich guys getting together for a retreat in the woods but there’s no reason to believe that. Feel free to tell tall tales, but if you want a discussion you’ll need to bring more than what you’ve got.
In addition, you don’t know the history or context of any of the things you’re talking about, you ignore people trying to educate you on those topics, and you seem angry that people are calling you out on the obvious bullshit parts of the story that are verifiably wrong.
No, i’m not. I wasnt disrespectful with nobody. And i’m not nervous. William Scnoebelen
Bill Schnoebelen “former Illuminati member” is a fraud :
One of the growing list of far fetched claims he makes is that at one point in time in order to join the Illuminati, he had to have sex with a demon as part of his initiation into the second highest level.
Schnoebelen says, “What this means is you have to have sex with a fallen angel. And this is a very appalling and bizarre process, and it really nearly destroys every human being who has to go through it. It nearly killed me. I went through a formal marriage with a fallen angelic being. And of course you understand there is a Biblical principle at work here which Satan is using. And that is when you have sex with someone, you become one flesh with that person. And what happens at that point is, you become so demon possessed that it’s like burbling up here around your eyeballs. I had more demons per cubic centimeter than the entire city of Indianapolis, let me tell you. And the result of that is you just become a pretty vile, evil person.”
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His claims of having sex with a demon are actually quite tame compared to what he says in another video titled Interview with an Ex-Vampire, where he states that within in the vampire subculture, human vampires exist and indeed grow fangs to feed off of human blood. A small subculture of “vampires” actually does exist, but they are not walking dead who turn into bats and sleep in coffins. They are a small minority of the gothic subculture who do drink animal or human blood as part of their lifestyle. Usually they do not kill people for this blood, but they have friends and fellow “vampires” willingly give up a pint of blood for consumption, or they purchase animal blood from butcher shops and consume it. But Schnoebelen takes this idea to an absurd extreme, claiming that to become a “real” vampire, he drank the blood of a fallen angel and was then able to grow fangs which would retract when he was not “feeding.” He says as a result of “becoming a vampire” that he couldn’t go outside during the day because his skin would blister, and that he had to get a third shift job because he could only go outside at night.
This dude’s worse than Alex Jones!
No you’re not what ? I don’t care if you’re disrespectful or nervous, but you’re mostly wrong or uninformed.
William Scnoeblelen is a nutcase . The fact that Jack Chick is an admirer is probably all you need to know to dismiss him from any rational conversation. Learn to evaluate your sources better; these are not helping your case.
CurtC
February 9, 2015, 10:33pm
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Never heard of that guy, but found this at a trusted source:
William Schnoebelen is a fundamentalist Christian who claims to have been (amongst other things) a former Satanist, member of the Illuminati and vampire. Despite his ludicrous claims, he has a few admirers, including Jack Chick.[1]
Do you know what “ludicrous” means? It’s not good. And it’s also not a compliment to note that Jack Chick is someone’s admirer.
If you follow the timeline in his own books, he would have to have been a Roman Catholic, a Freemason, a Wiccan, and a Satanist, all at the same time, from 1976 to 1980.
Ugh.
Spyderkill, you really should watch that video I linked to on page 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dahQCEzjkfM
It’s from a documentary called “Secret Rulers of the World,” and it’s made by the guy who went to Bohemian Grove with Alex Jones.
Telemark:
No you’re not what ? I don’t care if you’re disrespectful or nervous, but you’re mostly wrong or uninformed.
William Scnoeblelen is a nutcase . The fact that Jack Chick is an admirer is probably all you need to know to dismiss him from any rational conversation. Learn to evaluate your sources better; these are not helping your case.
The only book that will talk properly about the spiritual war is the bible, sorry.
It height. This page has a photo of the owl.
The Cremation of Care is an annual ritual production written, produced, and performed by and for members of the Bohemian Club. It is staged at the Bohemian Grove near Monte Rio, California, in front of a 40-foot tall image of an owl, at a small artificial lake amid a private old-growth grove of Redwood trees.
The dramatic performance is presented on the first night of the annual encampment as an allegorical banishing of worldly cares for the club members and "to present symbolically the salvatio...
and the wiki page for Bohemian Grove.
The Bohemian Grove is a restricted 2,700-acre (1,100-hectare) campground in Monte Rio, California. Founded in 1878, it belongs to a private gentlemen's club known as the Bohemian Club. In mid-July each year, the Bohemian Grove hosts a more than two-week encampment of some of the most prominent men in the world.
The tradition of a summer encampment was established six years after the Bohemian Club was formed in 1872. Henry "Harry" Edwards, a stage actor and founding member, announced that he w...
Chimera
February 9, 2015, 10:39pm
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spyderkill:
Before monotheism shows up, the world had a lot of gods. Theres a theory that this gods are demons. God put satan out of hell with 1/3 of the angels(these who support his ideas). Satan was out because he though that he could be God, and he was jealous about the new creation(man).
Well, this is a bunch of shit that insecure Christians make up to explain why God is the only God and all the other “gods” and beliefs are satanic, or WRONG.
Just “My religion is the one true religion, all others are a demonic deception that, oddly, fits into my religion and makes it true”, which in absolutely no way convinces anyone that you’re anything other than full of shit.
Bill Schnoebelen, pro-herbal remedies & anti-vax :
Bill reveals the conspiratorial origins of modern American (pharmaceutical) medicine: how the ruling elite stole medicine from the church and set up a licensed monopoly. He shows how this monopoly seems to be actually bent on reducing the population and gaining in power by withholding cures. He exposes the Iron Triangle: how the FDA, the drug companies and medical schools collude together to control and destroy our nation’s health.
He also discusses gentle, God-given alternatives which His children can use to help achieve or maintain optimum health without the use of sorcery (pharmakaeia)!
At this point you, having seen the vids, must parse and summarize for us. Does either Bob Dylan or Katy Perry claim to have made a pact with the devil? If so, are you sure it was not a joke? If either “adores old gods,” couldn’t that mean some sort of harmless neopaganism like Wicca or Asartru?
Moloch. Nothing about an owl ever being used as a symbol.
Owl – Symbolism and Mythology. It is a bird of ill omen in many cultures, but no connection with Moloch is mentioned.
spyderkill:
I don’t have any evidence, this is what’s spiritual world is about. If i or any other people of the world had a evidence that could be tested by cientific method, like you and other people here want…
What i’m putting here are strange facts, that’s all.
The best SDMB forum to simply post “strange facts” is MPSIMS. If you post them in GD, Dopers will challenge you to prove them or defend their relevance to the topic; and in the BBQ Pit . . . well, you’ve seen how it goes here.
Is that anything like the Man-Kzin War? Because there are whole boatload of books on that.
BrainGlutton:
The best SDMB forum to simply post “strange facts” is MPSIMS. If you post them in GD, Dopers will challenge you to prove them or defend their relevance to the topic; and in the BBQ Pit . . . well, you’ve seen how it goes here.
Ohh thanks. I’m gonna have a look in that.
BrainGlutton:
At this point you, having seen the vids, must parse and summarize for us. Does either Bob Dylan or Katy Perry claim to have made a pact with the devil? If so, are you sure it was not a joke? If either “adores old gods,” couldn’t that mean some sort of harmless neopaganism like Wicca or Asartru?
The notion of Wicca being harmless went out the window with the citing of Scnoeblelen.
If you mean William Schnoebelen, he’s a fraud.
On the other hand, if you try to sneak in conspiracies theories and woo advocacy in MPSIMS, the thread could wind up moved to GD or the Pit.
Face it. It’s not safe. :eek: