Katy Perry, in context, was very clearly speaking metaphorically. 'Ye and Marshall were rapping lyrics obviously not to be taken literally. That was as far as I could stomach.
spyderkill, I’m sorry. Life must be very frightening for you, and I hope it gets better.
Do you feel some need to make people look/feel under your capacity? Somebody that show this type of behavior with people that he doesn’t even know… This cant be right. I hope it gets better for you.
And does either of them mention Satanism?
As for the Bohemian Grove, the answer is easy: They go there so they can live the life.
Adoration of old gods, pact with the devil, i don’t know how you call this.
I meant you no offense, and I’m sorry that it came across as belittling. In all sincerity, your beliefs must make the world a very frightening place for you, and I wish it weren’t so.
Excellent. We can suppose that you’ll post something that a reasonable person would consider evidence of that, right? Because up to now you’ve posted nothing that would support your premise.
See, here’s a perfect place to start. What evidence do you have that owl (if it in fact exists) is anything other than a big owl?
What is the subject of this thread if we assume that you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about, and we back it up by pointing out the silly You Tube videos and misinformation you keep spewing?
I don’t have any evidence, this is what’s spiritual world is about. If i or any other people of the world had a evidence that could be tested by cientific method, like you and other people here want…
What i’m putting here are strange facts, that’s all. How you understand it is up to you. I’m telling what i understand. That’s all. I cant tell the Owl to take a selfie, make a accont in the forum and talk with you, sorry.
This is a good question. But the conversation has keep alive, doesn’t?
So, im sorry too. I didn’t undestood well. But i’m not getting crazy in the streets about that hahah, don’t be worried. I just did a research of something that for some reason was interesting and came with it to the forum. And as i said before, it’s a good mode to improve my english. Much better than a course.
Well, now that you’ve established you’re just attention-trolling…
Buh bye.
Splitters!
Hey man, don’t be nervous. The topic was about some strange group, and it has changed in the middle. It never happened before?
By the way, spyderkill, welcome to the SDMB.
No, wait, it’s the other thing…
No, that’s not the way this works. (Although we’re now in the Pit so you could just tell me to shove off if you don’t want to engage in a meaningful discussion.)
You made a claim that the people who run Bohemian Grove think the owl is an idol of the demon Molech, and therefore you’ve made a connection between BG and Satanism. That’s a claim without any support. It could also represent the goddess Athena, or Rice University, or the Give a Hoot, Don’t Pollute campaign. Or someone there just likes owls.
Do you have any actual evidence that there’s a connection or are you just spouting random things that occur to you?
Yes.
Let me help.
The occultists of the 19th and early 20th century (the term first appeared in the 1840’s) were, by and large, harmless. They didn’t go around killing people and starting wars, and were in no position to do so. Few of them tried to gain any real political power or influence over society at large - even fewer succeeded.
Not only were they themselves generally harmless - I’d rank 'em somewhere between girl scouts and librarians - but their ideas were generally harmless as well. Some groups were Christian (L’Ordre Martiniste), others were not (the Theosophical Society), and many were kind of all over the place (The Hermetic Order Of The Golden Dawn, the H.B.L., the O.T.O., etc.). But none of them worshipped evil, or the Devil - and none of them advocated war, rape, murder, human sacrifice or anything of the sort.
At worst, a few groups went in for some version of “free love,” or drug use, or (in the case of the Theosophical Society in its wild-and-crazy early rock’n’roll phase) “the abolition of Christianity in favor of freethinking humanism” - concepts shocking to the Victorian public ca. 1875, perhaps, but not so much today. Or, well, at least not to me. 
As for “Satanism,” the first person to openly worship Satan as his god was an obscure Danish dairy merchant. He was seen as half-crazy, an object of ridicule, and he died in abject poverty. His influence over world politics was non-existent, and he gained exactly zero followers.
Half a century later, in the 1960’s, the Americans came up with their own kind of “Satanism,” completely different from the Danish variety, stripped of all theistic tendencies and, well, basically just “Ayn Rand with trappings,” as its founder put it. It got popular with rebellious teenagers and edgy musicians for a while, but it ain’t much.
Finally: May I ask what your first language is? If it’s one of the major European languages, I could probably recommend a few good, serious books on these matters. There’s a lot of good information out there, but it’s mostly in books, not on the Internet, and certainly not on YouTube. I could also recommend books in English, if you’d prefer. Let me know.
You know something? The only references I can find to an owl being an avatar of Moloch use the Bohemian Grove as the cite.
Ok, i’m gonna make this all clear. Nothing of that has cientific proves, so please. Accept it like a episode of Game of Thrones.
Before monotheism shows up, the world had a lot of gods. Theres a theory that this gods are demons. God put satan out of hell with 1/3 of the angels(these who support his ideas). Satan was out because he though that he could be God, and he was jealous about the new creation(man).
So these demons assumes a lot of identities. The gods from greek, babilonia, etc. And the people followed their leadership. This stage was called Caos.
But God, i don’t know why, showed up in the situation. The monotheism showed up. Satan was losing power in this situation, but he still controlling a lot of person. When Jesus showed up, he made promisses to him, he would made him rich and the lord of the world, if Jesus worship him. But Jesus didn’t accepted it(This type of deal is very popular, if you look in the internet. People goes after that). This passage show that Satan wants to be worship like a true god.
Satan control the most powerful men of the world, under that type of pact that he once offered to Jesus. These men regulary go to a center of freemason, a sourcery or something like that to ask for advices. With that, he control the media and the government of the world. He want to go back to the stage called once Caos. So he make his political puppets to cause wars, manipulate the finantial system and things like that. While he does this things, we drink beer and watch his puppets dancing on TV. We are getting accostumed with porn, drugs and all types of sins. These things come up from TV, and in a short period we buy their style of life. The TV(famous artists) says what the people gonna do and they gonna do.
But some day, the finantial system will colapse. The apocalipse will come. And the most of humanity will be in a lot of sins, doing really bad things.
So this is all about this topic. Devil manipulate the government, the media and everything else. He put this people under some of the sins that are on the bible, the hollywood is like a Sodoma. If you look well you gonna see a lot of problems with pedophilia, drugs, prostitutes.
This is just a theory that i saw in the internet, so please, control yourself. It’s just a text, nobody is saying that this is what you should believe.
Man, i’m from Brazil, don’t judge me :rolleyes:
You showed up a version that the people who study these things tell, like a person that studies catholicism would show a version of his own history, but a cientist would show another and a muslim would show another. This is all very crazy.