The daddy super-hero & the undue influence issue

After many moons, a Skaldthetical. If you don’t like these, I’m sure there’s some thread about football or J K Rowling or Brexit open someplace.

Today’s story takes us back to the world of BOB X, the black, bisexual superhero and former slacker with Kryptonian powers, no significant weaknesses, and an adoptive daughter. There are about 100 other super-heroes on Bob’s world, but most of them are at about the power level of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, So although Bob has a support staff to assist him in his do-gooding, he always does the heavy lifting solo…

As our tale begins, Bob’s America is in the midst of an impeachment crisis. The current president — let’s call him RONALD FRATT — is regarded by half the population as a racist, homophobic, would-be dictator and buy the other half as possibly Jesus. embroiled in a foreign policy scandal, Fratt has been refusing to allow any of his top aides to testify despite congressional subpoenas; request for documents are similarly being ignored. (Nothing familiar about that, I’m sure.) Bob, though despising Fratt, has tried to stay out of this controversy, partly because he has always been chary of the dangers he himself poses to society (he never did succeed in completely squelching worship of himself), but mostly because he finds it depressing. He’s been throwing himself into his natural disaster relief/kaiju-fighting efforts.

During one of the impeachment hearings, Bob gets a phone call from his kid. “Popsy,” LYNN Says, “are you watching CNN?”

“No,” Bob replies. “I’m busy towing this kraken out of shipping lanes before it eats another oil tanker. Why?”

“Because something really weird is going on. Fratt’s chief of staff just decided to defy her boss, and she is giving damning testimony. You need to get to a TV screen and watch this.”

“I wouldn’t see anything anybody else wouldn’t over a television. But I’ll check it out.”

By the time Bob is done with the sea monster, the day’s hearing is over, and the next day there is a volcano to cap, a hurricane to avert, another monster to wrangle, and a terrorist attack on Paris to foil… He zips to Washington for the following sessions; Fratt’s secretary of defense gave similar testimony as the chief of staff the previous afternoon, and today it’s the national security advisor.

Bob has no formal authorization to enter the Capitol, but every official waves him through immediately simply because he asks. That’s been happening for years. The alternating responses of gushing adoration and unspoken terror always concern him, as does the most frequent question he gets from the press & Twitter these days: “Are you going to allow President Fratt to remain in office, Mr. X?” Of the usual groupies who throw them selves add him that day, two are hoping to persuade him to toss Fratt out, three the opposite (And before you ask: all five, though not simultaneously.)

Swiftly Bob realizes that Lynn was correct in her suspicions. Upon entering the Capitol he starts sneezing., and there’s only one thing in creation that can make HIM do that: mine control raise! Bob does a super-sinces scan of the building looking for an old enemy of his who uses such technology (she once tried to technomagically straighten every gay in North America), but there is no sign of anybody with the initials LL. Instead he finds a fellow superhero: one SHELDON ROOFER, an inventive super genius Bob occasionally goes to for tech advice — including how to reverse the aforementioned brainwashing, so he certainly knows how to do it himself. An x-ray vision scan shows that Roofer has some suspicious tech hidden on his person, and as soon as he realizes he has been spotted, he tries to rabbit. But of course he can’t outrun Bob, who, an eyeblink later, has whisked him to the top of the Washington Monument for a private conversation.

“So what are you up to, Roofie?” Bob says, holding up a handheld device he withdrew from Roofer’s pocket. He has already X-rayed it and recognizes the mind control technology. “Because it looks like you are trying to earn your nickname in a pretty horrifying way.”

“Not as horrifying as that whackjob in the White House,” Roofer replies In his Texas twang. “But as for what I’m doing: YOUR darn job since you refuse to save the world like everybody expects.”

“You call puppeteering people into doing your bidding ‘saving the world’? Because I call it turning super-villain.”

“Easy for you to say. Easy and DISHONEST. You know as well as I do that Nameless is a racist, queer-phobic, demagogue who would like nothing better then to make himself president for life. We can’t let that happen.”

"I am not going to argue with you about Fratt. But mine-fucking his aides into testifying against him— "

“— is totally justified. Every word these guys have said is true. I’ll show you the documentation if you want. All I did was make them speak the exact truth in answer to any question —”

“— and also compel them to testify,” Bob interrupts. “Right?”

“Well, yes. Like that matters. My point is, we both know that every day that man is in the Oval Office moves the world a little closer to a catastrophe not even you will be able to avert. And I can tell that you yourself are having some doubts, because you haven’t vaporized my gizmo. And I’ll let you in on a little secret: it’s a one off. I could only scrape together enough of the special crystals required to make it work for that one unit, and if you destroy it I doubt I’ll be able to make another. Not that I need one. I was hoping to force Fratt to speak the unvarnished truth about the Turkmenistan affair, but I think with the testimony of his top aids on the matter, he won’t have any choice but to resign or be impeached and removed. Unless you decide you’re going to blow the whistle on me, of course. But you don’t have to. Why don’t we go to my place; I have something like 75,000 pages of evidence to support Nameless’s criminality. With your super-speed, you should be able to peruse that in an afternoon. Then you can decide what to do. What’s the plan, Bobby?”

Bob hesitates. He shares Roofer’s opinion of President Fratt, and Lynn has already been suggesting that come the next election, he should campaign for whoever the opposition candidate was. But the mind-control squicks Bob out — and given the reaction of almost everybody he has encountered that day, he isn’t sure his own intervention can count as anything less than mind control either.

What should Bob do?

Bob should lock Sheldon Roofer up in his fortress of solitude, or his basement, whichever is easier, and then take a Caribbean cruise with Lynn for a while leaving the world to deal with its own disasters. After that he can do whatever he wants because that’s what he’ll do anyway. Next November if Fratt is re-elected he can let Sheldon Roofer use the mind control rays to force people to tell the truth. No matter how the election turns out the mind control device should be used to force people to make food the right way.

A tricky one. My first inclination is to turn the mind-control device on Roofer, with the same settings as before: Force him to testify as to what he did, and force him to tell the truth.

The catch with that is that doing so would be almost guaranteed to result in a dictator-for-life: If Bob does nothing else, then someone mind-controlling the President and his aides into forcing regime change is exactly the sort of crisis that results in dictatorships being formed. And if Bob does stop that from happening, then the only possible outcome is for Bob himself to end up a dictator, which is preferable to Fratt, but only just.

As odious as it may be, the least-worst outcome I can see is to do nothing at all about the testimony already given, destroy the device, and personally search Roofer’s lab to be sure that he was telling the truth about only being able to build one. If, as I’m assuming is the case, Bob isn’t metatech-savvy enough to personally know what tech is needed to build such a device, then everything he’s not sure about (which is probably most of it) gets chucked into alpha Centauri (that’s actually a fair bit easier than throwing it into the Sun).

I think Bob is on shaky moral ground already. He used his superpowers to search Roofer and find the mind-control device. The hypothetical doesn’t say, so I’ll assume that possessing such a device isn’t illegal. Roofer’s use of it, if he can be believed, is preventing the crime of perjury. Meanwhile, President Fratt is also accused of wrongdoing; the OP doesn’t say what, but potentially an actual crime. Why isn’t Bob using his x-ray vision to read his documents, or super-hearing to listen in on his phone calls?

Bob needs to treat everybody, prince or pauper, the same. Either he searches wherever he wants, operates within some consistent legal framework, or he’s hands-off for human crimes and sticks to sea monsters.

A mind-control device that makes people tell the truth is not, in the current national crisis, a bad thing, and is actually very much in the public interest. Bob should let Roofer do his thing.

Good to see you back again, Skald! I’ve missed these mental exercises! They’ve been fun ever since I A-bombed those two armies in the canyon…

I think superheroes should concern themselves with either
A) Interpersonal crimes in progress – Spider Man & Batman stuff
B) Mass manic mayhem of the city-destroying scale – Avengers stuff.

Stay out of Politics, Religion, and Sports; they’re beneath your abilities.

That means taking the Roofer off to the Marshall Islands* and hunting for Amelia Earhart’s ear until the legislators’ hearings are over.

Why?

Very much like farming, regardless of who is in power, the superhero job will still have to be done. Don’t get sidetracked by trying to mess with the machine.

–G!

*Oh, is that the wrong part of the Pacific? No wonder it’s going to take so much time & effort!

OK Skald, can you give TL;DR’s in the future for those of us who would like to participate, but are still at work and can’t spend 5 minutes perusing the OP?

Well, Bob can’t just let Roofie go on acting unimpeded - he’s got a mind control device and isn’t afraid to use it. Sure, at the moment he’s (allegedly) only using it to compel honesty, but tomorrow he might decide to compel those groupies of Bob’s into paying attention to him instead. That cannot stand, because a person with extreme powers cannot be allowed to act freely on their own morality - that would be ridiculous. That would be like letting Bob act freely, and who wants that?

That aside, I’m not entirely sure that Roofie has actually committed a crime. Sure the state cannot compel a person to testify, but Roofie isn’t an agent of the state. However the public should in theory be aware that the testimonies were compelled and thus are unreliable. After all we only have Roofie’s word that he was compelling them to speak honestly (as opposed to just having them parrot his opinions that he got from his interpretation of the evidence he’s gathered).

Of course in reality if the mind control comes to light this will be taken as proof that Fratt is innocent of everything, so perhaps a more delicate approach is necessary.

Oh, and on the subject of that evidence, where the heck did it come from? Why does Roofie have it? Does anybody else know about it? If not, why hasn’t he bought a soapbox and gone around telling everybody about it?

So Bob should give Roofie’s nose a gentle flick and confiscate his brain box, to be stored with all the other terrifying equipment that he’s confiscated and only trusts himself to terrify others with, and then instruct Roofie to show him the evidence. If it’s any good, then if Roofie needs help getting it out to the public Bob should loan him several tons of precious metals that he mined off a distant asteroid to help him pay to get it out to the public.

And then when the public rejects all the evidence and testimony and elects Fratt god emperor for life, Bob should politely remind all the world’s countries that he’ll react to any and all acts of war as a request to be replaced by a puppet government of Bob’s robot doubles, and then extend an offer to help anybody who wants to relocate to Canada.

Unless I’m missing something, it would seem that the have your cake and eat it too strategy would be to go to Roofer’s secret lair get and read the 75,000 pages of incriminating documents, use his super speed to highlight the most damaging tidbits and then drop them off at a few highly influential press offices. Then turn Roofer over to the police and tell them the whole story. The testimony of Fratt’s flunkies, is already out there, and can be verified or not the evidence dictates. According to the scenario the 75,000 pages of documents is enough to convince Bob that they are all telling the truth so they are apparently convincing enough to persuade Bob. As to whether they are persuasive enough to convince everyone else remains to be seen. But its not Bobs place to decide for everyone what evidence is convincing. In a Democracy you get the leader you deserve.

If Fratt ends up re-elected, reveals himself as a bona fide villian, rather than just a narcissistic boob, and tries to turn the US into a dictatorship, Bob always has the option of going Nexus on his ass.

I am not a lawyer, but I think you are conflating two different issues. Evidence obtained by means that would be excluded if the obtainer was an agent of the state can be used in court - but the obtainer of that evidence may still have committed a crime. In other words, if private person B breaks into A’s house, and finds the videotape that shows A committing murder, a court may decide that the evidence can be used against A in court and that B has committed burglary.

Right, but is mind control actually against the law? Is compelling somebody to talk actually against the law, if you somehow do it without breaking some other law like threatening harm?

That is a good question, which I don’t know the answer to. It just seemed to me that you were implying that if it was a crime, the testimony would be invalid.

I was more implying that if the testimonies were found to be compelled they would be considered unreliable. Sort of how it’s not illegal for a parent to say to their kid, “Say you’re sorry!”, but the resulting apology would not necessarily be taken at face value.

Thanks. Sorry about my misunderstanding.

I am perfectly fine with people being made to tell the truth in court through benign means, as long as they are not being forced to incriminate themselves.

It strikes me though that the whole thing would be a lot simpler if Fratt were simply forced to confess and have it all over with. It would save a great deal of taxpayer money.

I think Bob should then confiscate the device and destroy it. There is just no telling what horrors would eventually be done with it.

Our government should be run by laws not by superpowers (or by demagogues). Any individual who places himself above the law is wrong, no matter how good his intentions are

Something that can compel people to tell the truth shouldn’t be destroyed. It should just be protected so that it can’t be altered to control people’s minds in other ways. That’s the threat–that Roofer might use it to control people to do something else. The threat is not that people might actually have to be honest–that’s a feature. The only downside is that, if it compels one to respond, that it might be used to steal secrets.

What we thus need then are alterations, ironically. Have it compel people to keep it safe. Compel people to never even try to make another one. And have it compel people to only ever use it to compel testimony about crimes.

Of course, this needs confirmation that it was actually set up to do exactly what it is supposed to do, and that Roofer didn’t bake in any back doors. But those backdoors would almost certainly be for him alone, so keep him away from the device. Yes, that might even involve incarcerating him far away from it. And embedding it in some physical location so that no one could be compelled to bring it to him and allow him to alter it. And encasing it in such a way that it no longer can be altered.

Still, my point is that there’s no reason to destroy the device. On the whole, compelling honesty is a good thing. It fixes a moral flaw in humans.

Granted, I’d prefer a device that merely told you if someone was being honest. That could be another possibility–just compel people to admit when they are being dishonest. They can lie all they want, but they’ll have to say so, and thus we’ll know not to believe them. Given the right situation where one is asked questions and is obligated to answer them in some form, that could work as well as directly compelling testimony, but without the ability to use it force the disclosure of secrets.

Still, it has to be locked up so that no one could alter it. Not destroyed.

Headline: FRATT EXPOSES POLITICAL RIVAL’S PEDERASTIC MARTIAN PIZZA-MAKING RING!!!

Footnote, printed in white on white: All the above is a lie.