They’re saving here for the mud wrestling match with Bernie during the closing ceremonies.
Do you have any evidence to suspect Khan? For what reason are you concerned about him? I don’t understand what you’re talking about – please explain.
Someone asked the analog to Zell Miller, well it appears that Mike Bloomberg is going to be speaking at the Democratic Convention to endorse Hillary Clinton.
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I’m sure. This is also the most open action HRC has taken to reaffirm her control of the convention (and the party), showing that she’s capable of making tough choices.
It would have been easy to stand by her friend, through thick and thin, playing the “I’m loyal to my people no matter how much they keep screwing up” card, but fuck it - now there’s no chance for DWS to elicit booing, no chance for Bernie to play butthurt about DWS speaking @ convention, and the woman has become more than a bit of a political liability over the past few months. DWS will be gone soon, and this is the first step in that process.
DWS would have to go now, regardless of Bernie’s position.
Completely agree. Probably all RNC and DNC chairs have secret biases, but she was blind to how her own conduct looked to those who participated in the process. The worst part of it is, these were probably unforced errors and if anything they just strengthened the narrative that Clinton is a product of the system and that they don’t represent the people. If the Dems were really in danger of having an “Oh shit” moment like the republicans that would have been one thing, but Sanders was made stronger because of their tactics. Bernie would have made his inroads regardless, but the DNC panicked a bit and made a difficult race even more difficult than necessary. And now they’re trying to clean up all the shit stains on the carpet just in time for the big house party.
True, but all the better that HRC can play multiple middles to this end.
Nine times out of ten when someone uses the phrase “real Americans” they diminish the value of anything they say ten-fold.
FWIW the Khan who served will not be speaking as he is, you know, dead. This is the father. Not someone with a record of political involvement or activism before his son died, heroically. No record of public statements that can be misinterpreted and spun out of context.
Let us imagine though that Mr. Khan has expressed Palestinian sympathies publicly. So? The message is just as valid.
And in case that message needs to spelled out to you here it is: Mr. Khan is a real American. His son, whatever his political opinions were, was a real American. Those who want to exclude them, and other “others”, from that that label? Them I am not so sure about, as the strength that emerges from “out of many - one” is the quintessential aspect of being a real American in my mind.
I’m just going to take a wild guess here and peg you for Tea Party.
I suppose those 38% of Americans who disagree with you according to your own cite aren’t ‘real Americans.’ Because, gods know, it’s not American to have a view different from the majority one. Or to stand up for it.
Give me a fucking break.
Certainly, the 15% who sympathize with the Palestinians are indeed not real Americans. I’ll leave the undecideds/both/no opinion people alone tho. But given that the I:P ratio is 4:1 in that poll, I think we know which is the AMERICAN viewpoint.
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Let us imagine though that Mr. Khan has expressed Palestinian sympathies publicly. So? The message is just as valid.
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Sympathies for a movement which condones and promotes blowing oneself up, cheering September 11 (not Trump’s made-up NJ story), torturing then murdering Olympic athletes, aligning with America’s enemies like Saddam during Desert Storm and Iran too, etc. That is un-American.
As this is not the Pit, I can’t truly speak my opinion of this statement and of you. Suffice it to say this real American (and combat veteran) does not support Israel and finds much fault with their policies and methods of governance. Though to be fair, not nearly so much as he finds in the mealy mouthed rantings of the Tea Party and their lapdog apologists.
I think the only thing we know is your idea of the AMERICAN viewpoint, the one which both you agree with and agrees with you. Sort of, y’know, antithetical to the whole point of democracy.
Because questioning the zealotry involved in the Israeli response automatically equates to condoning terrorism, right? Yeah, try again, without the absolutist ideologies.
Expressing sympathy for people who are suffering doesn’t mean one approves of acts of violence that some, but not most, of those people do.
I’m declaring the Israeli- Palestinian thing a hijack for this thread. Take it elsewhere from this point.
Ahh! I see you were one of the people chanting “America: love it or leave it!” forty-five years ago. In a long tradition going back through Wilson’s Sedition Act, all the way to the Federalists’ Alien and Sedition Acts. While those comments and laws have always been a (sad) part of American history, they have also always been ultimately rejected by the American people. (Of course, that would mean that by proposing such tests for “real Americans,” you are actually not a real American.)
Ooo, mod fight, mod fight!!
Getting back to the DNC, I hope I’m correct in not being too nervous about Bernie tomorrow. I think there was a behind the scenes deal to get rid of DWS in exchange for Bernie keeping his mouth shut about the Democratic Party and the internal workings of it. Bernie wants to be relevant for his last few years in the Senate and doesn’t want to sit on the post office appropriations committee and deliver empty Senate rants. Being booed by his colleagues while he kept his secret service detail has hopefully taken his ego down a few pegs from his Messiah complex during primary season.
Nah. I got interrupted between quoting the post and submitting my response. I am not going to pursue this line of discussion in this thread.
Still I get the feeling that like with his concession he’s going to dedicate a lot of his time to making a big deal of his run and the votes and states he got and what great deeds they did. The test is going to be whether he explicitly tells those who supported him that the right thing to do is to unite behind Clinton/Kaine to stop Trump, that stopping Trump is as deserving of their passion and effort.
“Vote your conscience.”
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“By which I mean, vote for Clinton/Kaine to stop Trump. I mean, come on!”