You could ask my current girlfriend of 5 months or my ex I dated for 2 years. It’s very easy to go from fuckbuddies to a relationship.
If I had to perform surgery with no training I would take the advice of a doctor who regularly performs said surgery rather than the advice of one of his patients. 
“I love women. I have all their albums.”
If you don’t mind sharing, what are those reasons?
PUA methodologies are just tools, they can be used for good or evil.
Just because you use them to become involved with someone does not mean you are doing it just to get laid. I dont know about you but I generally want to have a relationship with someone who wants to have sex with me, if they dont want that, any future relationship is already in trouble for most folks.
What’s with this “Friend Zone” crap anyway?
Hmm…I can’t help but notice how among all of the given advice, the most effective and meaningful piece of advice isn’t mentioned. Which is not surprising, considering how highly taboo this particular piece of advice is, here in America.
This particular brand of knowledge and understanding requires patience and a great amount of dedication. The payoff, however, can be tremendously beneficial.
You stack up as many funds and appropriate resources as possible, learn a new language or two and emigrate to another country where the “Friend Zone” and “Sex Zone” are known to be coterminous. During this interim, sacrifices may even have to be made, depending on your monetary position. Some have gone as far as to virtually withdraw socially from this society to work hard on their exit strategy. Those greener pastures are in fact very, very lush and well worth it.
I’m referring to a great unspoken truth about the good ol’ USofA.
To the American Male:
What you guys have to understand is that the American Woman really is a special brand of female among the planet’s female populace. Through no fault of her own, she’s actually been socially engineered to be who she is, for atleast a century now. What America doesn’t want it’s male populace to know is that sampling women beyond these confining borders IN other countries/cultures can be a very rewarding endeavor. And it’s downright empowering to be able to have one’s basic human needs met without having to resort to STUPID, very unhealthy, social games put forth by American culture i.e., roleplaying, treating women badly, and any other foolish mess out there.
Once you’ve experienced this first-hand…you will know TRUTH.
Translation: I was Googling about shitty relationships and found people talking a year and a half ago about dating problems, so I think I’ll recommend getting a green-card-seeking chick from overseas!
(Hint: This isn’t an all-American board, so your griping about American women is pretty funny.)
tech bonus! Welcome to the straight dope! You have just committed the egregious sin of posting on an old thread and bringing it to the top of the forums.
And your post was kind of inflammatory and didn’t really contribute much of anything.
Enjoy your stay!
Perhaps…but am I lying?
And let’s be honest here - what are the chances that the OP isn’t American?
Without looking to see who it is, on this board, it’s about…a 40/50 percent chance, since I’m including Canada in the non-American pool. Probably a bit higher than you imagined.
Of course I’m probably off by a bit. But I expect at least 25 percent of the board to be non-American. The rest of us are just un-american. 
They’re not attracted to you, and if they are real friends they’d be helping you find another woman. If they’re not doing that then they’re not really friends, they’re using you. Don’t be used.
I didn’t read most of the replies, sorry if this is repetitive.
“Friend Zone” is both real and bullshit at the same time. If you believe you’re stuck in it, what do you possibly have to lose by saying “I know we’ve been just friends for a long time, but I’m attracted to you and want the chance to be your boyfriend. Will you let me take you on a date?”
As a guy, you win either way. You either get a date, or the chance to move on.
Nut-up or shut-up, nice guys!
You’ve got this nailed, IMHO.
Timing is important when it comes to dating and I’ve often met men I might otherwise be interested in dating but the timing was off. That said, regardless of timing I have to be interested in them for a relationship. Friendship is great and I have some great guy friends, but I don’t want to date any of them. It’s not a zone I put them in or a ladder I put them in because they didn’t strike while the iron was hot. The iron wasn’t hot at any time.
And damnit, I just realized this is an old thread. Regardless, I stand by my praise of jsgoddess!
Quoted for truth. A lot of the time you are never interested in being anything more than friends with a particular guy, so it’s not like he missed an opportunity in the first place. And while there are guys I’ve given up hope on and resigned myself to being just friends with, some of them eventually recaptured my interest, so even though they didn’t make a move at “the right” time it doesn’t mean they would never again have a shot…but only because they ever had one in the first place.
Although I doubt we’ll see tech_bonus again, it is suprising how often this kind of thing a bout ‘American women’ comes up. I really have heard this ‘rant’ a lot. I personally have no experience with ‘American women’, so I don’t know if its true… but to some American guys it apparantly seems so (not the folks that are the happiest in ‘love’ I would think).
But what if this happens:
Looking back, I didn’t say it half well enough.
Kiss her.
Kiss her like her toes need curling; someday they might.
Kiss her like you want to rock her world (and make her friends dive for doorways for miles around).
Kiss her like you only have one kiss to give in this lifetime & have to make it count.
Kiss her like you want Faith Hill to look up and say “Daymn. Now I’m going need to re-do that song…”
Kiss her like you want to make her happy. And if you do, kiss her again, so she stays that way.
**Count Blucher, **that’s romantic and all. Straight out of a John Hughes movie for sure. But I’m a man’s woman, meaning most of my friends are guys, and they are in the mythical friend zone because I’m not attracted to them. If any one of the 7 or so men I spend time with suddenly grabbed me and kissed me, I’d consider it an assault and respond accordingly.
I do Not condone assault, sexual or otherwise. If ANYONE read that as me giving them a free pass to commit assault on someone, SEEK PROFESSIONAL HELP NOW!!!
A kiss could be a simple as a kiss on the cheek, done with feeling. Its a risk. The woman might slap the sh-t out of him and leave him with a swollen face & a black eye for it. Or he could wait 10 years chasing an illusion, finally see she wasn’t into him,
and have lost 10 years of his youth, which he’ll never get back. I just saw this as slow band-aid vs fast band-aid removal.
Bonus: she’s rid of him 10 years sooner!
Not even close. I wouldn’t consider an unwanted kiss as the precursor to rape, but an unwanted kiss from a friend would be as welcome as one from a stranger.
It is difficult to believe this is what you meant when you also said:
So, if you were attracted to one of them, how would you let him know?