In fairness, I quite agree that friend Scylla’s mea fuckup, as noted above, should fairly stand as an honest admission. He wanted to believe, he did believe. Human, all too human.
That said, should I ever need someone with an adamantine obstinance and stainless steel chutzpah, I got my candidate.
The hell?
I did indeed. I just saw it as a tad OTT but maybe I’m just being a uptight humourless git. Wouldn’t be the first time 
Now if any of the other pro-war sheep eeemmmm I mean posters want to do the same I’d be very happy to read their reappraisal of the immediate threat that they were shouting about not that long ago.
Yeah, Bill Clinton actually did know he had sex. What?
Oh Bush. He was lying about alot of stuff related to Iraq probably because he thought he knew what was “best” for us. Cheney and the chickenhawks though- their motives were much lower. Unfortunately for Bush, he is caught in the circle of lies with regards to Iraq. Much like Pete Rose he is stuck with a bunch of statements and facts that don’t match and there is no way out but to keep on piling it higher, deeper and wider.
However:
The true GOP faithful with stick to the party line no matter what, and many of the single issue voters will stick with him even though they don’t believe him on Iraq, as long as their anti-tax, anti-gun control, anti-gays, pro-fundementalist Christian religious positions are strickly held to by Bush. That’s also why you are seeing all of the corporate welfare as of late in the GOP Bills- the elections are coming up and “Ranger” level contributors expect to be rewarded- massive record-breaking deficit be damned.
So yeah, he lied. And yeah he basically got caught with false or no evidence on many of his pre-War claims. And you know what- it may not make a damn bit of difference to many people who will bother to vote- their minds are already made up no matter what comes out.
We can only hope that the sheep wake up and this shit backfires on them eventually. Yeah, before I had the previous sentence completely typed in my glimmer of hope that that was possible had extinguished, but it felt good there for a few seconds.
Someone ought to use that pic of Rummy shaking hands with Saddam.
Just show it on the screen for 30 seconds.
Actually, most of the stuff that Bush has blamed on the intelligence community has been stuff that they hd reviewed and rejected, but which was picked up by Rumsfeld’s boys and carried to the president who insisted it be inserted into their reports. The Niger incident, specifically (along with the “uranium enhancing tubes”) were examples of things that the CIA fought to keep out of the UN destined paper.
Now that I think about it, friend Scylla has been scarce of late. Used to be, his username would be enough to invoke his attention, even mentioned in passing. I understand there is some mechanism available on th SDMB whereby one can become aware whenever one is mentioned. So I hear. I wouldn’t know.
We may have to sacrifice a black cockerel to Greenspan.
Darnit, and I was thinking about starting a thread like this just last night! I decided to hold off, though, on the grounds that it’s always possible that Hell could freeze over between now and Thursday.
(Oh, and what Mtgman said, although in his defense Scylla was not the one starting the nasty namecalling threads.)
You are, of course, assuming they believed their own story. The intelligence agencies of both the US and the UK (and most likely quite a few other countries) have a nice little history of choosing an action and picking and/or inventing justifications for that action.
Their real crime was not realizing this wasn’t the '50s anymore and that people might actually take a critical look at what they were peddling.
This whole thing is freaking frustrating. Even without WMDs the removal of Hussein and a genuine rebuilding effort in Iraq could be such a good thing. And they’re fucking it up. The deed is done. We all know France and Russia would never have allowed the invasion under UN auspices no matter what, but now it’s been done and it’s time to bring them in and to share the costs and responsibility for rebuilding the country.
I do stand corrected.
However: why didn’t the head of CIA resign in protest, if he was so vocal about keeping this shit out? He implicitly let it happen.
I just want the stuffing that I requested in the original thread.
'Ere, Gov’ner, any number of us might like a bit of stuffing. Those who aren’t wankers, I mean.
[MontyP]…Oh, right away, Gov’ner, right away! Haven’t had it in weeks!.."[/MP]
WorldEater, I think people who say they’d vote for ANYONE over Bush are certifiable idiots. I want to see the opponent before I say I couldn’t POSSIBLY vote for Bush. And let me tell you that if the democrats offer up another Al Gore or Mike Dukakis, you’ll all be complaining about W well into 2008. Hint to the democratic leadership: a candidate with a pulse is a prerequisite for gaining this chick’s vote.
So criticize W if you will. But don’t count him out of the race yet, folks. Not taking your opposition more seriously is a mistake that Ann Richards and Al Gore both regret. They thought they were shoe-ins. What do you know? They weren’t.
So, if there’s anyone less deserving of my faith and trust than the Bush administration, it’s got to be the democratic leadership. They managed to lose the House, the Senate AND the presidency at a time of great prosperity and peace, following a wildly popular democratic two-term president. That’s gotta set a new record for incompetence.
I hear where you’re coming from PLisa.
BTW FYI the democratic debate starts in 10 minutes.
Slight correction Lisa, the House and Senate were both lost during the first term of that wildly popular Democratic president. The Senate was briefly taken back in 2000 with the historic 50-50 split.
Think the democrats can come up with someone you don’t have to hold your nose to vote for? I’m not voting for some whiny, feel-good, apologizing liberal.
Has everyone seen this?
http://www.salon.com/comics/boll/2003/11/20/boll/index1.html
Hilarious. If you can’t see that version, just look for the latest Tom the Dancing Bug cartoon, the “Revisionist Action Comics”
