One of each. Slander and Lying Liars.
Wait. Don’t spoil the ending, but does Ann finally get laid? And does Al break down and ultimately buy a thesaurus?
From Voltaire’s Bastards.
We’ve truly sunk to a new low when we’re arguing the merits and imagery of Coulter and Franken.
You guys are discussing books by a harpy, lying woman with absolutely no redeeming values, and a satirist and comedian who has written a book, which automatically makes him the font of wisdom, I guess.
Can’t we just accept that they’re both partisan hacks and move on?
Oh, and the previous post is number 562, Desmo. Kind of an auspicious record, wouldn’t you say?
My translator arrives, just in time…
Same, plus Rush Limbaugh is etc etc, because the title was too amusing to resist. 
I thought the Franken book had about 3 chapters of interesting commentary and cites along with quite a lot of fluff. The Coulter book was…disturbing. Everything I’ve taken the time to track down from Slander has been, at best, distorted, obfuscated spin. Franken seemed to be trying to amend some of this while trying to be funny (and sometimes failing at it miserably) but trying to be accurate. Overall both sides were a) partisan hacks, b) Franken admitted he was a partisan hack but tried to back up his hacking with good cites (countering Coulter’s and others bad research), c) Coulter admitted no such thing and lied through her teeth (YMMV) that she had The Truth. I found Franken more engaging because he admitted his bias where Coulter only accused everyone else of bias.
Red Fury:
Thanks for your kind words. Since the task occasionally feels really hopeless, its nice to read that the effort isn’t a complete waste.
I just have to wonder, if the WTC truck bomb had done significant damage in its attack, would you be gracious enough to admit that Clinton was only in office for 38 days, and therefore wasn’t in any real position to do anything? Especially since it appears his predecessor didn’t give him any day-long briefings on the growing terrorist threat?
I will point out that the nonpartisan site Spinsanity.org has dozens of pages documenting the lies and distortions from Coulter, Moore, Limbaugh, O’Reilly, et al in great detail, but Al Franken only gets a wrist-slap for a few instances of using Coulter-type language – they couldn’t catch Franken for factual errors.
What in the World…I searched “Al Franken” and got his official website, http://www.ohthethingsiknow.com/ , and that was a piece from Read the Excerpt. Yes I trimmed a bit, the rest is even sillier. Go and see.
If it means that much to you, pick out something in particular that he’s saying and I’ll either refute it or agree with it. (Tomorrow.)
Sure, rjung. Remember, I wasn’t always a Clinton hater. I voted for the bastard in 1996. His first term gets the benefit of the doubt from me, for the most part.
BTW, when I cited stuff that happened under Clinton’s watch, it hadn’t occurred to me that he was under the same circumstances as Bush was. So I won’t blame that on him, if you don’t blame 9/11 on Bush. Deal?
Congrats!
Why not just come right out and admit it: you’re a lying fucking idiot, and you’re proud of it. :rolleyes:
Nope. She’s a psychotic liar, he’s not.
Thank you so much for saying that. I haven’t devoted much energy to doing this largely because I did feel that no one was listening. I feel a little better now.
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Did anyone see Ann Coulter on C-SPAN debating on issues related to Supreme Court rulings?
Someone asked her a straightforward question about a particular ruling and she rambled on and on… it looked like she didn’t even know her Bill of Rights very well.
The thing that puzzled me the most was why the audience was rabidly cheering her statements that were for the most part filled with contentless spite.
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Silly me, of course he’s not. He’s a liberal. :rolleyes:
Of course, now I’m going to be asked to refute something he said in his book. I don’t think that’s going to happen, and I’ll tell you why. Even if everything he said is 100% true under all circumstances, I still don’t like his politics. It doesn’t matter whether he has all of his ducks in a row, I will almost certainly disagree with his conclusions. I am a conservative type person, and hearing opinions from the tanked-up dude making faces at the monkeys on the train in Trading Places is not going to have an impact on my worldview. Oh, and Stuart Smalley sucks. And so does Ann Coulter. I’d rather eat warm barf than read any of her books.
How’s THAT for honesty?
That’s certainly honest.
And I realise this is the Pit and all, but "Of course, now I’m going to be asked to refute something he said in his book. I don’t think that’s going to happen, and I’ll tell you why. Even if everything he said is 100% true under all circumstances, I still don’t like his politics. " just doesn’t cut it.
I don’t care what you think of his politics. I don’t care what you think of his acting ability.
If you think he’s factually incorrect, then produce some cites that rebut the facts.
If you think he’s philosophically or idealogically incorrect, then you’re on very swampy ground. What’s his philosophy? What’s yours? What are the practical upshots of your philosophy vs his?
I just finished listening to the audiobook of Lying Liars, and I don’t think Franken should be mentioned in the same sentence as Coulter. He seems to go out of his way to get his facts straight and to represent his sources accurately. The book succeeds more in exposing the dishonesty of the current crop of right-wing media heroes than it does for promoting the liberal viewpoint, but even this is done in a fair manner.
Compare this to Michael Moore’s latest, which I also just listened to (I had a long drive) and found to be almost entirely claptrap (as was Stupid White Men). I will grudgingly say that Moore has devolved into a partisan hack (grudgingly because I have enjoyed his movies and TV shows and his first book, Downsize This!), but Franken’s book stands out from the pack.
Dr. J
No problem. The problems I had with Clinton – as opposed to some fictitious strawbeagle – involved his disinterest in foreign policy. Clinton’s work against terrorism has increased daily since he left office.
“It’s the economy stupid.”
Only if you are the Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board. The job of the President of the United States is to conduct foreign policy and to be the CinC.