The Idiot and the Grouch

One of the oldest comedy memes. You have two characters, one of whom is an imbecile and the other is grouchy and bad-tempered. The grouchy one is by default the dominant one because the idiot is too stupid; but the idiot is constantly doing stupid things that usually result in the grouch getting hurt (which may explain why he’s so bad tempered). If there’s a third party, they’re usually the straightman/voice of reason, whose presence explains how the two losers have survived this long. Two questions: how many of these can you think of, and is this already mentioned on Tropes under some name?

Ones I can think of right off the top:
Laurel & Hardy
The Three Bears (Looney Tunes) Papa Bear, Junior, and Momma Bear
Ralph Kramden & Ed Norton (with their wives collectively the Voice of Reason)
ditto Fred Flintstone, Barney Rubble and wives.
Ren & Stimpy
Billy, Mandy, & Grim
Of Mice and Men’s George & Lennie (the original isn’t a comedy but it’s the base of countless parodies).
Pinky and the Brain

Sponge Bob and Squidward.
The two leads in the Mighty Boosh (UK)

Martin and Lewis
The Smothers Brothers

Groucho and Chico, obviously

Homestar Runner and Strong Bad

Bert & Ernie

Abbott and Costello.

Basil Fawlty and Manuel.

The Three Stooges: Moe (Grouch), Curly (Idiot), and Larry (who wasn’t so much the “voice of reason” as a slightly less idiotic Idiot).

Troy Aikman and Troy Buck on Fox football. :slight_smile:

Fry and Leila from Futurama

The Indian (?) guy and any other guy from Big Bang Theory. (Not really idiots, but I’ve never seen an episode where he does anything smart like the other guys.) Does Sheldon being an anti-idiot count against the other smart guys?

The schtick of the schlemiel and the schlemazel sounds very close to what you are talking about, if that counts as a name.

Oh, and Skipper and Gilligan.

I haven’t seen much Martin and Lewis, but have problems imagining Dino as anything but easy-going.

Tommy Smother played the idiot role, but I remember Dickie as a rational guy driven to distraction – not a grouch per se.

Joe and Averell Dalton (from Lucky Luke). The other two brothers are non-descript and generally just there to keep Joe from killing Averell.
Asterix & Obelix too, to an extent - Asterix isn’t really a grouch, but Obelix’s antics tend to drive him bonkers.

both of mine were mentioned. I immediately thought of Pinky and the Brain and Abbot and Costello.

I Dream of Jeannie kind of had this going on. Jeannie may not have been an Idiot per se, but she could be ditzy; and Major Nelson was certainly a Grouch.

The Hackett Brothers on Wings fit the formula.

I was coming in to add those two. I can’t imagine why they were omitted from the OP - they are about as perfect an example as you can find.

These are character types from the tradition of clowning. They are known as the “whiteface clown” (or sometimes just “clown”) and “auguste”. There is also a type called the “contra-auguste” who is sort of intermediate between the two.

Moe = clown
Larry = contra-auguste
Curly = auguste

The same dynamic is found in the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers:

Franklin = clown
Phineas = contra-auguste
Fat Freddy = auguste

Charlie & Frank from “Always Sunny”. Only when the two of them are alone though - if any other members of the gang are present, the dynamics change substantially.

Frylock and Master Shake from Aqua Teen Hunger Force on Adult Swim.

Reading up on some of these teams, like Abbott & Costello and the Smothers Brothers, I find it interesting that the one playing the idiot was usually the dominant one with the act and are polar opposite of their on film roles.

Allen and Rossi
Burns and Schreiber
To a slight extent, Rowan and Martin; Rowan usually took Martin’s comments calmly, but he became exasperated from time to time.
Monty Python in things like “The Cheese Shop” and “The Dead Parrot.”

I always thought Ernie was more of a prankster than an idiot, but I haven’t watched a ton of Sesame Street lately.