So if the Jedi sense and cause ripples in the Force, and Cap’s shield can absorb vibrations (i.e. ripples), does that mean Cap can block the force? 
And even if he succeeds in taking Hulk’s arm…
Hulk’s got two arms. Jedi’s only got one head. They’ll both have one fewer after this exchange.
I feel most people discard Cap’s abilities too soon.
He is a better fighter and strategist than pretty much anyone else out there.
And despite what many think, if needed he’ll grab a gun -in this case a blaster-.
While Jedi’s are formidable and obviously are aware of the surroundings, there’s no reason to believe Cap won’t launch his shield at that overhanging piece of rock/equipment while firing at the Jedi and then bury them. He might even grab a saber…how do you fight a guy with supreme skills, a saber AND a shield?
Also, I have to assume they don’t run in to one another by accident. Which means Tony Stark has had time to think and prepare. You know how people always growl about Batman being prepared for everything? Stark is the same, switching suits like it’s nothing. He’ll have an anti-Jedi suit ready. It’ll probably include some saber technology too. Or he uses a Hulk-buster type armor.
Hawkeye, Widow…yeah they’d be the weak links. But as the movie (and the comics) shows, they find a way. It only takes one ranged hit to kill a Jedi.
Hulk…people underestimate his mind and his ability to smash until there’s nothing left to smash.
I do agree the deciding factor would be Thor. He’s near Hulk level when he’s in combat mode, with the smarts and the weapon. Mjolnir would fly into a saber pushing it back into the Jedi’s face.
Oh–and this doesn’t even take into account the other non-movie Avengers (so far)
Wolverine in bezerker mode would get sliced up but this wouldn’t stop him until he’s done.
Spider-man would annoy the Jedi by making jokes. And don’t even think of taking the high ground on him, he’d jump over ya 
Captain (formerly Miss) Marvel is on the level of Thor in strength AND she can shoot lethal beams.
Luke Cage’s skin cannot be broken-at all. The Jedi might be faster, smarter, etc, but at some point he’ll land a deciding hit.
And then there’s Dr. Strange who will know how to counter some Jedi tricks while his own range of magic would be too diverse for a Jedi to escape.
And Wanda…all it would take (and yes, it’s the Deus Ex machina) is “No more Force”
And it’d be like a million voices went quiet all of a sudden.
To balance it out. The Jedi’s obviously would know what they’re in for. They’d rely on their speed and broad skill sets. While each of the Avengers can do one or two things well, the Jedi have a broader base. Speed, strength, force tricks…they’d have it all.
I’d expect them to try and weave in and out of combat, trying to get the Avengers to hit one another by accident, deflect beams and such into one another, etc.
They’ll try to focus their efforts on the big hitters first through team efforts.
Though at some point in the battle they all look up at the sky and see Galactus devouring the Death Star. At that point they join forces.
i agree that Cap’s strategy skills would be a big boon to the Avengers, as the Jedi seem vulnerable to a well thought out plan. I don’t think his fighting skills will help him much though. Although he is physically the best a human can be, the Jedi’s fighting skills are Super-human.
He would hold his own for a while, but a combination of force speed, force reflexes and light sabres would eventually finish him off
Thor actually conjures up planet sized storms. Unless we are using movie Thor, comic Thor wins this by himself. No Jedi has the power to hurt him much less stop him.
Movie Thor is a different issues though I still say Thor wins. Movie Jedi haven’t done enough to suggest they can hang at his level. So movie Avengers we have a fight. Comic book not so much (and I’m including the EU Jedi in this as well). Comic Thor blows up planets so Yoda etc are nothing to him.
I disagree with this - I think that with his reflexes and state of mind - he would be able to out do a Jedi - he would be akin to a non-force user that has the abiltiy to handle a sabre and then some.
Outside of using the force - the Jedi never appeared to be “strong” or “durable” -
Or “aware of what’s going on around them.” Oh, wait, that’s how they are even when they use the force.
Both Sith and Jedi use telekinesis constantly in battle before closing to melee range, in the movies.
I’d say it’s indisputable that Yoda could do it, if you look at his battle with Palpatine, but I don’t see why at least Obi-Wan or Windu couldn’t do it too.
I still say Hulk and Thor are the only threats to the Jedi. They’ll have quite a battle on their hands once the Jedi mop up the rest of the Avengers and gang up.
All the surviving warrior Jedi, bar the 2 we see in the OT (yeah, I got your EU right here, pal!), went down like ninepins to lightly-armoured, completely unenhanced clones with blasters. Even the squidhead chick.
I say a walk in the park for the Avengers.
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My Star Wars geek rating is weak, unfortunately. Was that the movie where the Jedi are fighting in the arena against those robot guys and the flying bug soldiers? If so, then it seemed to me that for one thing you are talking about just regular Jedi warriors, not the elite. Additionally, they were sort of overwhelmed. It doesn’t help you to be able to block blaster bolts if you’ve got like 30 guys shooting at you at once…you can only block so many angles at once after all, and only move to so many alternative spots. If enough people are shooting at you, no matter how good you are or how fast (assuming you are still a human and not a god), then eventually you are going down.
Well sure…they are, after all, basically gods, with magical lightsaber resistant skin and superfast healing, armor that is impenetrable and magical strength and reflexes. So, nothing is really going to be able to take them in that case…maybe another magical godlike being could go toe to toe with them, but it seems to me there will never be any final resolution to such a fight. Really takes all the fun out of discussions like this…and out of the movies now, since the only ones in any real danger are the archer dude and the dominatrix chick.
No, I mean when they are slaughtered by their Clone Troopers.
I guess I have no memory of that part. The only time I remember Jedi getting slaughtered was in that arena.
This only works if the Hulk and Thor are not on the Avengers side. Otherwise it’s an epic beat down.
Lucky you. You’ve forgotten Episode III totally.
I wish I could.
Hey, I would watch Episode III once a year for the rest of my life if it would somehow wipe Episode I from my memory. ![]()
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Given, but let’s keep in mind they were ambushed and murdered by soldiers they believed to be their allies. Not exactly the same thing as being defeated in open combat, and I’d argue each of the Avengers could be killed in the same way.
Dang, missed the edit window.
Just wanted to point out that this is actually how Captain America, was “killed” too, in this case by a brainwashed girlfriend. If he’s the brains of the Avengers outfit, it could certainly happen to the rest, too.
Except for Thor and Hulk, which are the combatants that the Jedi will be destroyed by in any scenario.
I’m still not sure what the Jedi would do if Iron Man just flew over them and dropped gas grenades. I mean, that’s not stretching too much, is it? He can certainly fly, and even if he doesn’t already have gas grenades in one of his suits, he can get some easily enough.
A point everyone is missing is that the Avengers aren’t real big on killing their enemies. Or even maiming them. Sure, the Hulk could rip a person’s head off but how often does he actually do it. Jedi dismember drunks every time they go into a bar to get a drink.
Unless the Avengers can figure out a way to lock the Jedi up in some Negative Zone super prison, the more ruthless Jedi have the advantage in a battle to the death.
Thor kills people just fine.