“A spy whose naked, decomposing body was found in a padlocked gym bag at his apartment likely died in an accident with no one else involved, British police said Wednesday.”
I mean of course it was an accident. Is there anyone out there doesn’t know someone who accidentally stuffed themselvs into a gym bag while naked, and died that way? :rolleyes:
The only thing that surprises me is the length of time the ‘investigation’ charade has taken - its almost as if this process has been stretched out to make it seem as if a meaningful and thorough investigation has taken place - which of course it has, hasn’t it?
I like how he paddlocked himself into the bag without leaving his prints on the lock or on the bath. That’s a pretty good trick.
And I mean, obviously, if you’re going to stuff yourself into a gym bag naked, it only makes sense to padlock it, right?
It sort of reminds me about the death of weapons inspector Dr David Kelly, there was an official investigation but many anomalies have been raised due to his outspoken rejection of the Hutton report, and the actual timing of his death.
For me is was very much simpler to understand, I recall there was huge media reports into how authorities were looking for him and were ‘concerned for his safety’ when he, a grown man, went out for a walk with his dog, had not left any suicide note, nor had his partner registered any concern over his mental health, and yet he slashed his wrists - he was actually not reported missing by his family until 9 hours after his death - so why would there be any need to express any concern on the media over worries about his welfare?
Seems very odd and leaves a nasty taste in the mouth, especially that two days previously he had faced a house of commons grilling about his assessment of Iraqi WMD, which was proven to be 100% correct but was very politically inconvenient.
I wonder what inconvenient knowledge Gareth Williams had accumulated, he was certainly in a position to do so.
That doesn’t really prove anything, fingerprints, palmprints etc are a tricky business and very dependent on the surfaces involved, granted an enamal bath does sound like a good surface to find prints on but the fact they weren’t found doesn’t necessarily imply anything suspicious.
Its certainly an odd case but I wouldn’t be surprised if it really was a case of a self-bondage gone wrong, he is known to have had an interest in it from computer records and his land-lady reported that she found him tied to his bed previously.
What I do found interesting is that he apparently had circa £15’000 worth of womens clothing and shoes in his flat, but they were too small for him to wear so he wasn’t cross-dressing. So what did he have them for?
In addition I don’t know how much the average MI6 employees salary is but thats a lot of money for anyone to spend on clothes.
Re the bag being padlocked from the outside, would the material be loose and flexible enough for someone to close the clasp from the inside if it was positioned correctly?
Move along folks, nothing to see here. *
What’s great about this incident is that the two possible scenarios are equally wacky.
Scenario 1: The man had weird sexual fetish and got himself killed in a fairly sophisticated manner.
Scenario 2: The man was killed, perhaps due to his line of work, and the government is trying to cover it up.
Both scenarios are like a fucking scene from “Burn After Reading”. I can imagine JK Simmons barking “Well is he dead? […] Good! Tell the press he’s a pervert or something. Got off on being in bags. Plant some porn on his computer for good measure.”
*A death is always terrible but it’s hard to ignore the um… Intriguing facets? Yeah, that’s it…
“I seem to remember there being a little controversy around his death.”
“That’s right. The police said it was an accident. He’d come home late one night and fell down an elevator shaft. Onto some bullets.”
“You know, I’ve always suspected a bit of foul play.”
My own theory is the he has been naughty and was punished for it by the security services. Unfortunately they send some prude who had no real idea how to make a convincing sex game gone awry.
I normally get annoyed when people invoke Occam’s Razor, but in this case, I’d say it falls firmly on Scenario #2. Everything about this screams of an assasination, including the rather retarded cover-up by the authorities.
ETA: I just thought of something: Perhaps the killers were going to use the bag to carry away the body and dispose of it, but were spooked or something and just left it there instead.
I know I’m making assumptions in a bizarre story, but…
If the official claim is that he locked himself in the bag and died, the evidence has to show that he at least died of something that could happen when locked in a bag. What I’m guessing is that things point to him dying in the bag. In that case, if he was murdered, the bag would have to have been the intended murder weapon from the start.
There are a couple problems with that idea, though. The first is getting him into the bag without there being signs of a struggle. You could probably make him do it himself by holding him a gunpoint. It’s not like he has foreknowledge that you’re going to leave him to die in the bag. The bigger problem is counting on him not being found once you’ve left him in the bag. I don’t see an assassin assuming that someone locked in a bag can’t scream or propel the bag up and down and bang on the ground loud enough to be heard.
It’s that that makes it seem believable that he accidentally did it to himself.
“How could anyone climb inside a gym bag and then lock it without first cancelling his reservation?”
Am I missing something? How in the world can this be SELF-bondage? How in the world can you lock yourself in a bag? The lock is on the outside, right?
The material of the bag was presumably flexible; you could gather folds of it in your hands to manipulate stuff outside the bag. Think of it as being like doing the same task while wearing mittens, with the added difficulty of not being able to see what you’re doing. It doesn’t seem like it would be impossible.
Just really, wildly unlikely.
Sorry for the slow reply but came across this youtube video today, which shows that it is possible to lock yourself into a holdall from the inside:
Apparently this was tested as part of the inquest but I don’t know how accurate that is.
In the news reports, this had been tried as an attempt to find some answers fro the inquest.
The attempt was a failure IIRC, however it was somehow concluded that it * might* be possible.
Since then, various others have had a go themselves, remember that he was found in that bag naked, so why are there no finger and handprints found around the bath in which the bag was found?
That video shows a (granted fairly petite looking woman) successfully locking herself into a sportsbag from the inside.
Re the hand and fingerprints while a bath is a good surface to get fingerprints from its not guarented, they could have been smeared and unusable and perhaps he was someone who liked to keep his house clean and washed the bath regularly. Although it sounds odd a lack of hand or fingerprints on the bath doesn’t really prove anything.
Also meant to add that there is a daily mail article apparently showing the inside of the deceased flat with a blonde wig which suggests perhaps he was cross-dressing which would explain the large amounts of womens shoes and clothing found in his flat. Though I do recall hearing/reading that they were too small for him, its a strange case all right.
OK, Occam’s razor for you - he had an unregistered illegal woman roomie who murdered him, cleaned all the prints off, grabbed what clothing and personal goods she could manage and scarpered off.
Or, he had a cross dressing boyfriend who did the same.