I got my ass chewed out a couple of times for not using spoilers the night an episode aired. One person helpfully - albeit angrily - pointed out a particular show had not yet aired on the West Coast.
As for the nitpicks, here are a few more
Shouldn’t the Kaylons have detected the presence of that human creature down in the catacombs? Shouldn’t the ship have automatically sent a distress signal when all the security fields went down and all the doors were opened - I mean, that can never be a good thing, right? And the obvious nitpick, WHY DIDN’T THE KAYLONS JUST KILL THEM ALL RIGHT THERE ON THE PLANET?
Agree with all the nitpicking. And yes: Isaac did the “now I’m done with you, what’s the problem” bit before. The way he acted tonight ignores all that—even if (and I suspect you are right l) he ends up saving the day. Unless he has been unable to speak freely since being reactivated, but was still able to secretly plot inside his head.
Well, it was a dark plot turn, and I liked that. It wasnt’t the friggin’ Moclans again, and I liked that. OTOH, it was more Isaac and the doctor, and that is just a stupid, stupid plot. She’s in love with a machine. She would have been far, far better off with Yaphet, and I would have enjoyed that far more than what they went with. Starting to hate more about this show than I like. Don’t like the security chief’s people, don’t like Moclans, Issac is a Johnny one-note, worse than Spock and Data ever were.
For a REAL twist, i wish they’d have treated Isaac like the machine he is and stop trying to turn him into a Real Boy. I only hope that when the ship gets free of the Kaylons, that Isaac is dead and we’ll be free to bring in another alien that isn’t a half-assed Spock/Data analogue.
Also, the command staff of the Orville need relieved of duty. They honestly didn’t see that the bodies of billions of biological life forms might bode poorly for them? They felt they were being delayed, and then they discover billions of bodies. They should have made some attempt to notify the Union, and had been prepared for boarding.
Honestly, they were screwed. They probably could not have got a non-jammed message through, they could not get away from the planet without being blown to bits, and they could not hold off boarders forever, but the command staff did nothing. I mean, they might as well have told the crew to offer no resistance, if they weren’t gonna do anything but get a handful of security ppl killed.
Well, this shook things up a bit anyway. I’m not hating that.
Good point. People should know to stay out of the thread until after they’ve seen the current episode but using spoilers before it’s aired everywhere takes little effort and is the courteous thing to do.
So since we’re past the West Coast airing, I’m skipping the spoilers.
Loved the episode, but I agree they should have high tailed it out of there as soon as they found the ossuaries. “AIs rise up and kill their creators” is now one of the hoariest sci-fi tropes there is - They really need someone like Mac from “Agents of SHIELD” to point out when they’re being stupid.
But having said that, I think Seth is purposely making the Union even more naive and gullible than the TNG Federation was.
davidm, I don’t think the point was that the Kaylons want to settle the planets currently being occupied by biologic life forms, I think the point is the Kaylons are going to start traveling throughout the galaxy, and will therefore come into much greater contact with bios whether they like it or not. They assume this will lead to conflict, so they may as well take them out now with an unexpected first strike.
Mind you I had guessed this twist when they first introduced the Kaylon character and race first ep but had changed my mind by this point. I had expected the ep to hinge upon the twist that the Kaylons would be doing something that would turn out to be a test to help them decide whether or not to join the Union. Were they willing to sacrifice and risk themselves to save Issac, a non-biological? Quite wrong I was.
No it doesn’t stand up to any actual thought but fun enough that such did not matter much. Clearly less of the funny now but still the corner piece bit was good.
Are the Kaylons planning on wipingnout all biologicals or just the Terrans? I ask because Mercer was told that he was going to be far away (in his communication with Union command) but in the previews we see the Kaylons are going to attack Earth. Maybe there aren’t any other populated planets between us and them but it seems unlikely.
And why is Issac the only one with blue dots? This bothers me more than it should. (I know it’s so we can tell him from the others, but I want an in-story reason.)
Somewhere it was said that the dots represent eyes to make him seem more “real” to humans. Why do the other guys have dots at all?
Was Issac deactivated because the decision to attack Earth had been made, lest he blab to his human friends? He could have been reprogrammed when he was reactivated, and will revert back due to his friendships and save the day.
The Kaylons obviously have very advanced tech capabilities, so why not just send automated bombs or lasers or whatever? Why hijack a Union ship and put themselves in harms way?
And it makes consistent sense. Mocklans live on a super-harsh planet, and thus can eat and extract all possible energy from basically any possible food. If getting the maximum calories possible is a species goal, then wanting the piece of cake with the big glob of frosting is understandable.
(That thinking could also play into Bortas not wanting to share his birthday celebration with Kelli: separate parties means more cake!)
The enemy’s command structure is always a logical high priority target. Not so much the rest will fall, as the mechanism to organize a defense and counter-offensive no longer exists. Take out HQ, defeat the rest of the fleet in detail.
Besides, a threat to Earth is always going to mean more to the viewer than a threat to Omicron Perseii 8, even if that does happen to be the headquarters of the Galactic Amalgamation.
This seems to be the attitude among most commenters on this episode. Which drives me a bit crazy, since many of the same people were happy to inflict “death by a thousand nitpicks” on my favorite episode (“All the World is Birthday Cake”). Sigh.
The Kaylons, automatons who turned on and defeated their masters, may be wary of equipping automatons with advanced tech to go to war for their masters.