The Palin Baby Rumor - Proven False?

i would figure on them give birth to an infant over perhaps a kodiak grizzly.

i’m figuring you are saying that given the ages involved, and possiblity of miscarriage or health issues, don’t assume that both of them would have a happy healthy livebirth? because it took me a few readings to get that.

in this day of 24/7 info, it seems odd that the birth certificate or birth record has not been produced. to me that would be the easiest way to counter all the rumours. also a way to keep bristol out of the lime light instead of the “something shiney over here”.

That’s my point. They could shut down the rumor mill simply by doing what Obama has been doing pretty much non-stop since he announced his candidacy. Make a statement, back it up, and move on.

Threads like this are beautiful. They are a stunning example that liberals engage in the same sort of conspiracy theories and character assasination that they claim is an exclusive practice of the right. Please, folks, keep on accusing Governor Palin of faking her pregnancy. I hope you realize that by doing so you are only turning off voters, like my wife, who are Democrats but who do not hold your irrational suspicion that everything anyone who has an “R” behind his or her name is a pathologically evil person.

I found it odd when the official statements came out that they all used the phrase “about five months pregnant”. The “about” seems to have been dropped now and the five-month timeline has taken over as gospel, but there are a lot more possibilities for speculation when you leave the original weasel word in there.

Not that any of this should matter to anyone outside the Palin family, but since the party’s platform includes forcing other people to abide by Palin’s theory of what to do with one’s fertility, it matters.

As far as I know, neither Palin nor anyone in her family is doing anything that Palin would push to make illegal, regarding fertility. You can’t exactly call her a hypocrite for choosing to give birth even after learning that the baby had Down’s, or for her daughter choosing to give birth even after getting pregnant out of wedlock.

No, but the fact that she and her party want to force everyone else in the country to “choose” the same thing as she did is the problem. She can do what she wants, that’s the beauty of it.

I agree. It’s nice to see. If only all scurrilous rumors where as easy as this one to get out in front of with hard evidence…

No, the point of your OP was that you want to pursue it, because it stinks. Or at least, you are hoping that it can be made to stink by repetition.

Sure you have. The rumor that Palin gave birth to her own grandchild has been disproven. Exactly as I mentioned, you go without a pause to the next scurrilous rumor.

As has been pointed out, your OP has no substance to which anything can be contributed - you are simply scandal-mongering.

It’s being pushed by people like you, in threads like this. Even though you are perfectly aware that the preponderance of the evidence is that the rumors are false - you are pushing it anyway. Even though Obama has said that families, and especially children, ought to be off-limits - you are pushing it anyway.

Exactly as I said - Obama gets to have it both ways. He can pretend to be above it, because there are people out there he can rely on to sling the slime and preserve his plausible deniability.

Regards,
Shodan

I don’t think anyone is engaging in rumor milling. We’re actually looking for the facts. I haven’t seen a single email with big honkin’ colored text, that as we all know, indicates something is an important-fact-that-must-be-heard-by-everyone-god-bless-america.

Don’t you question her honesty or sensibilities just a little bit, based on the facts of the story as they’ve been revealed so far?

Nothing’s been proven. NOTHING. She has no documented evidence that explains her irrational behavior with regard to not announcing her pregnancy until it was nearly over, going into early labor in a high-risk pregnancy and doing everything she can to throw the high risk pregnancy (with a known special needs child) into jeopardy. She’s either an idiot or a scam artist. Your candidate…your call.

I haven’t said a single thing about her family. Not a word. It’s all about your candidate.

Where is this preponderance of evidence? Maybe I’m looking in the wrong places, but all I’ve seen is statements from the people in question.

You would have to ask the poster who is knowingly spreading rumors he believes to have been disproven by a preponderance of the evidence what the evidence is that he is ignoring.

Oh, and Kalhoun? When I said -

I was describing stuff like this -

See what I mean? You make an accusation (totally, as your OP mentions, without justification). If she doesn’t fall for it, you then assume (again, as you mentioned, without justification) that she is an idiot or a scam artist. Because she didn’t fall for it.

IOW, all the stuff in the OP about how you wanted to understand was false. You are merely slinging shit and hoping it can be made to stick.

Regards,
Shodan

You would have to ask the poster who is knowingly spreading rumors he believes to have been disproven by a preponderance of the evidence what the evidence is that he is ignoring.

Oh, and Kalhoun? When I said -

I was describing stuff like this -

See what I mean? You make an accusation (totally, as your OP mentions, without justification). If she doesn’t fall for it, you then assume (again, as you mentioned, without justification) that she is an idiot or a scam artist. Because she didn’t fall for it.

IOW, all the stuff in the OP about how you wanted to understand was false. You are merely slinging shit and hoping it can be made to stick.

Regards,
Shodan

Shodan, you’re still ignoring the fact that the whole situation doesn’t add up. There is no preponderance of evidence that suggests Palin is telling the truth about exactly what’s going on with her family, and in fact there’s a whole bunch of evidence showing that she’s not. I’m not gonna say she faked a pregnancy, but until she comes out with a story that actually makes sense I’m going to suspect that she’s not being completely forthright.

It might be something as simple as exaggerating the circumstances of the flight home, in order to look tough. Her daughter might have stayed home from school for five months for any number of reasons not related to pregnancy, but it certainly wasn’t mono. Anyone can see that the story as Palin claims it just doesn’t make any sense, and until/unless she comes out and says just what the hell’s going on she has to expect people to speculate.

Where’s the proof? Where’s the palatable explanation for all her crazy person behavior? Do you really think her behavior regarding her pregnancy is anywhere near common protocol for a high risk pregnancy with a special needs child? REALLY? Do you really believe that 5th pregnancies go undetected by people who work side by side with the mother? Do you really believe she would wait until 2/3 of the way through the pregnancy to tell her co-workers? Since when do mature public figures conduct their pregnancy like a scared teenager?

You folks sound exactly like the right wingers who prattle on and on about Obama not being an American citizen. They can produce a variety of “evidence” and say that the whole situation “doesn’t add up.” They are grasping for straws and so are you.

You dislike Palin for whatever reason. You have some incomplete knowledge of her pregnancy. You jump to conclusions in order to paint her in a bad light. You say that she needs to offer proof that she isn’t engaged in some sort of far-fetched conspiracy. Well, she’s said the kid is hers. There is no proof that it’s not. The burden of proof isn’t on her – it’s on you. If you have some evidence that she’s faked her pregnancy let’s see it. If it’s merely you saying that it “doesn’t add up” then that means nothing. Your opinion isn’t proof. She doesn’t need to go around knocking down every ridiculous rumor that people who have an irrational hatred for Republicans can cook up.

Renob, I don’t know Palin well enough to like or dislike her at all. Hell, the first time I ever heard of her was last week.

I’d be asking these questions if she was Obama’s veep, as well. None of this makes any sense- and if she was a Democrat, I’m betting you would be, too.

There are a couple of easy ways for her to completely quash the rumors- releasing her medical records would kill the whole thing.

I do find it amusing that some right-wing apologists, like Shodan, are completely willing to take the story at face value… when I’m sure that if we were talking about a Democrat, here, he’d be crowing from the rooftops about how stupid the candidate is.

Do you think public figures are eager to talk about a high risk pregnancy that’ll result in a special needs child? Now, if it were me, I think I’d be slow to open my private upheaval to the public too, because having everyone asking why you’re going to keep the baby and whatnot would just make a stressful situation much more stressful. Do you really blame the family for coming to terms with the situation before informing all and sundry that their youngest child is going to be born with such issues ahead of him?

And if you folks are going to keep insisting that there’s something wrong with her not showing much before Trig’s birth, you need evidence. Namely, you need to find photographs taken during her other pregnancies that show her being much more visibly pregnant at 6-8 months than she was this time. There are four other kids, and at least one other was born while she was already a public figure, so it shouldn’t be too hard to find pictures, right? A lot of women don’t show much. No one who wasn’t told noticed that my mom was pregnant either time before her third trimester. (or even then sometimes: one of the neighbors was shocked to see me as a newborn because she though my mom had “just put on a little weight”) And we weren’t little babies like Trig, as the much smaller baby, I was over 8 pounds. Prove that she isn’t one of these women who naturally don’t show much. Prove that this pregnancy is suspiciously different from her others, don’t just insinuate that it is.

I do, however, think that the story about the hours leading up to her delivery of Trig isn’t fully authentic. To me it has the air of Annie Oakley style bravada projected onto it. They should have thrown in something about having to fend off a polar bear on the way to the hospital, too. :rolleyes:

Ah, never mind.

No, I wouldn’t. Unlike others here, I’m not blinded by my partisan feelings. If you think I am, please dig up some of my posts and illustrate that. I think the ugly rumors about Obama are awful and I do my best among my circle of Republican friends to tell them how ignorant they sound when they talk about him being a foreign Muslim who is going to turn us over to the jihadis.

Or she could just say that the kid is hers, which makes total sense. Oh, wait, she’s done that.

Much like the Obama haters, I’m sure many of you would be out there saying that her medical records are forged if she ever released them.

I can’t speak for Shodan, but there is no reason not to take this story at face value. It is unreasonable, however, to think there was some kind of a conspiracy going on to hide the pregancy of Palin’s teenage daughter. Back when this allegedly happened Palin was merely the governor of Alaska. She had no reason to try and conspire to hide her daughter’s pregnancy. In fact, it would have been ridiculous for her to do so. But people like you seem to think that this conspiracy theory makes more sense than the fact that an over-forty woman has a kid with Down Syndrome, so go ahead and think whatever you want. Let me know how the tin foil hat fits you.