To me, this wanders from “scam!” to “there are better options out there!”
The bolded, is an oversimplification. The first girl may be disgusted. The second girl. Maybe. Eventually there may be a girl who doesn’t mind it. More likely eventually the guy, being a rational human being, realizes that he can just take in the good and filter out the superfluous as Mijin is saying. The PUA isn’t gospel but rather tips. Nobody is claiming/marketing: “This is the only true way to pussy.” but rather “My class can help you with getting pussy.”
“If you follow the Mystery Method, as outlined in this book, you literally should be able to seduce any woman you meet–no matter how attractive she is and no matter how far out of reach she seems” (The Mystery Method, p. 4).
True, he doesn’t say this is the only way to seduce any woman, but it is still a pretty bold claim. Setting aside my personal opinions about the morality, or even legality, of the strategies Mystery suggests, if following Mystery’s advice is not in fact going to allow a man to seduce “literally…any woman you meet” then Mystery is making objectively false claims about the effectiveness of the product he is selling in order to trick men into buying it. In other words, he’s running a scam.
So when oxyclean tells me it can clean ANY stain, or when Ronco tells me the pocket fisherman is the best gift I can give for ANY child or adult, or when the cutco supershears tell me they can cut through ANYTHING, they’re scams also?
Clearly Mystery can’t seduce any woman he wants. We’re borderline pitting the PUA because of semantics? See, Nzinga? This is why I keep crying foul. PUAs have touched a nerve with people. It’s really just a fringe movement. Mijin might have been to a class but I don’t know a single one of my friends that have done it. Yet, people are doggedly opposed to it with strong convictions.
Some dumb guy somewhere is trying to pick up some dumb girl because of what they read on the internet and sometimes it works. Big whoop.
To echo what someone said earlier, tempest in a teapot.
What I’d like to know is exactly how many people are actually forking out hundreds or thousands of dollars for seminars. A book? Watching a tv show? That’s really pushing the term “scam.”
OMG, I watched a tv show and it really didn’t happen to me.
Is this “movement” anywhere as popular as the MLM things like Amway or NuSkin?
People hate PUA for the same reason they hate telemarketers, spam and sales I checked out some of Mystery’s videos on YouTube. It’s more than just “tips on meeting women”. The closest thing I can think of is it’s like some sort of in-depth sales training. It’s a whole complex behavioral framework designed to quickly identify, qualify, approach and close “leads”.
People hate on PUA for the same reason they hate telemarketers, used car salesmen, spam emails and sales reps in general. People don’t like to be “sold” shit they didn’t ask for.
Really, what isn’t douchey about teaching guys to dress like buffo0ns and be condescending pricks so they have sex with the sort of women who would sleep with a full-grown man wearing aviator goggles they just met in a bar?
And yet not so obnoxious that you break up with him.
You see this dick? It’s seen the inside of more pussies this year than you have in your lifetime. Can’t get hard? Who cares? Cum too quick? Fuck you, go home and play with your kids.
I’ve been reading PUA material since the year 2000. I haven’t really tried it out though - I’m usually very shy when it comes to women (especially “kino”) - though sometimes I’d mention PUA techniques to girls. I eventually found a wife and eventually started using “Cocky Comedy”. I found VH1’s “Pick Up Artist” TV show interesting… it is about “Mystery” trying to help guys who are bad with women.
Are you implying that JohnClay needs any encouragement in this area? I’d say he’s well into the third year of his post-doctoral research on this technique.
