I’d have trouble deciding. But what I DO know, given this thread, is that I’m glad I’m a lesbian. 
So…cast of The Big Bang Theory as opposed to say…Baywatch?
OMG. That song. As a young butch lesbian, I sang it in my head about myself. Hmm… maybe I’ll start a lesbian PUA. 
NM.
Christie Hefner.
It’s even funnier when some of them try to be as dehumanising as possible when the forum blocks cock and pussy.
Wow. People who wrote books and teach seminars want people to buy their books and attend seminars. Film at 11.
Also, it turns out that many health supplements don’t work 100% as advertised either. Just so you know.
I think her point is that there are many intelligent, beautiful women, and it’s not an either/or proposition.
As for that slight anti-woman attitude that underlies and pervades it… minor point, right?
There are people reading and posting to the SDMB who are aware that health supplements aren’t always as reliable as touted, but* do *believe a book or a seminar will help them master the art of taking home women. So… yeah, it kinda needs to be said.
Dang. And to think that I spent all those years just being who I am, when I could have had a ‘technique’.
I agree that a lot of it is down to just getting men to talk to girls and make some sort of effort, but I don’t think that makes it a scam. The problem with calling it a scam is that it kind of does what it says it’s going to do, for the most part: it teaches guys who don’t know how to try to get women to fuck them how to try to get women to fuck them. There are a lot of problems with it, such as the fact that it’s awful, but I don’t think it’s because the tricks don’t have any value. A guy who doesn’t have any confidence can’t act like a confident person unless somebody tells him how to pretend to be.
The thing is, the sort of guy for whom this stuff is valuable is the sort of guy who knows the way he’s acting isn’t helping him interact with women, and he knows that other, seemingly shittier guys interact more easily with women, but he doesn’t know specifically how to act. So then there’s this community – the goddam “Seduction Community” for christ’s sake – that says hey, here’s like a thousand rules. Memorize them all and act exactly like that. Here is literally the exact sequence of words to say if you can’t follow the rules in your own way; just say them. It’s all based on some pretty horrible quacky principles, and I think it has scary ramifications for people who think they’re learning secrets of the human psyche, but the fact of the matter is that for the normal guy who is desperate for women’s attention, being given this kind of script is tremendously useful, practically speaking.
So then it gets super dangerous, to be clear, because these guys realize that holy fuck, all you have to do is clown around and act kind of dumb at a bar and women talk to you! and they think they just found out that they’re wizards, but I think to really get what’s going on with pickup artists you have to recognize that between point A, where they have no idea how to even indicate that they want to have sex with a woman, to point B, where a few women actually have sex with them, they’ve learned something. They’re likely to ascribe the lesson they learned to entirely the wrong things, and become worse people as a result, but hey, a lesson’s a lesson!
I learned a new word, too. I had a completely different association between mudsharks and Seattle: http:/ /en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shark_episode
Well, that blonde is a given, I’ve heard the one guy’s new wife is out of his league, and I’ve seen a photo of Mayim Bialik in her altogether that demonstrated she wears far too much clothing on that show. :eek:
One of my Japanese friends here is painfully awkward. If a team were tasked to find the perfectly wrong thing to say in particular situation, they would never match him.
But he was a salesman and did OK, because he would make the call. I’m sure he could have done better had he any sense of what real humans talked like, but a lot of his regular customers actually preferred someone who wasn’t trying to bullshit them.
He could never get married for the longest time. No surprise there. Even signing up for a matchmaking service didn’t help. It was painful listening to his stories and how the meetings would go. While I’m not a Mr. Smooth, I’d try the best I could to give common sense answer. “No, it’s probably best to not say ‘Because I never had the courage’ when asked during the initial meeting as to why you haven’t ever been married. Save that for when you know them better.”
He knew that he couldn’t charm a woman in a bar, and the women in the bar would be very happy to know that he didn’t try. Using the pick up techniques would have been painful.
But, he eventually did find someone who appreciated him for being who he was. And he got married and has a lovely little girl.
Of course, his wife is psycho and took him for all he’s worth, plus more. There really isn’t any justice in the world.
I’m lying about that last paragraph. It was just sounding too fairy tale, so I wanted to shake things up. They’re really doing fine.
No, it isn’t and either or proposition. If a woman is intelligent and kind and funny, I find her attractive. Or as someone else put it, the women on Big Bang Theory. All intelligent and funny, especially AFF.
Lead actress on one of TV’s most popular sitcoms? Yeah, I guess one of those will do.
Me, too. And I learned “coalburner” on the dope a year or so back.
This forum is excellent for my cultural literacy!
What needs to be said? That Nzinga doesn’t like PUA techniques? I don’t think that it “needs to be said”–if Nzinga wants to share her opinion on the PUA thing, she’s perfectly free to.
Nzinga and you are acting like you are making a pronouncement from on high about an objective truth–i.e., that the PUA thing “is a scam”–when you are really just sharing your little ol’ opinion about something.
Can you give an example of this in a sales context?
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