I’ve been pretty quiet about most of the clusterfuck, but at this point the government actually has a duty to take this terrorist out.
He’s holding the government hostage and threatening to keep it shut down until he extorts money from them (for his retarded wall idea). That is the literal definition of terrorism. What is the United States government’s official policy for dealing with terrorists? I don’t think we have had a terrorist for a president before so there is no precedent for this situation, but there is definitely a government agency that should be empowered to deal with this.
I hate Trump as much as the next totally reasonable purpose, but this is not terrorism. It’s not extortion, either.
Congress can and should be doing its job, which is passing either a real budget or a CR. If Trump vetoes it, they have the votes (even in the Senate) to override the veto. And if he simply refuses to either sign or veto, it will become law in 10 days after landing on his desk anyway.
Forgive this European for not being up to speed on all the nuances, but isn’t this government shutdown, like, a yearly tradition in American politics? Isn’t this just part of the standard brinkmanship which characterizes the inter-party negotiations?
And if the two parties are both willing to suspend the government over these negotiations until the other side capitulates, then how do you determine which side is the hostage-taker?
The Democrats and Republicans in Congress passed funding bills. The President approved, but later didn’t like them. In many cases, it may be hard to tell who the bad guys are. In this case, it is clear.
Trump ran for this office on the express assertion that he was a master deal maker, that he could get along with “Chuck and Nancy” and that nobody would have an easier time governing than he would. I don’t blame the Democrats for exposing his incompetence.
Um, no. It may be the literal definition of extortion, or of hostage-holding, but according to every definition of terrorism I know, terrorism involves violence.
This post should in no way shape or form be read as a defense of Trump or his actions.
Every single one of these fucking idiots should be recalled/impeached. They work for themselves and special interests. They do not care about the 90% of the middle class people of this country.
The brinkmanship is a yearly tradition, but shutdowns used to be rare. Trump of course has two (plus a third funding lapse that was fixed before anyone actually got furloughed, apparently).
Calling the shutdowns normal is another example of normalizing Trump’s behavior.
Excluding the current clusterfuck of an administration, the last time there was a federal shutdown was in 2013, and the time before that was in 1995 and 1996.
Democrats used to be on board with a wall, but because Trump wants it, they have to be strong for their base and oppose it, even though the amount is quite small comparatively. This is really what it’s all about. Democrats cannot, under any circumstance, give in to something they have vilified so completely. Conversely, Trump desperately needs to show his base that he is serious about the wall that he promised.
I don’t know how either side extricates themselves from this.
You seem to have conveniently forgotten that both sides had already agreed to a CR that did not include funding for the (stupid fucking) wall, with a unanimous voice vote by the Senate. This was based on an understanding between the dipshit occupant of the Oval Office and McConnell – until the dipshit’s Magabot whisperers, Limbaugh and Coulter, hurt his feewings by saying he’d lose Teh Base™ if he couldn’t deliver on the (stupid fucking) wall promise.
No one wants the (stupid fucking) wall, and the only person who is unable to extricate himself from making such a ridiculous, empty promise is the dipshit.
It may be the literal definition of extortion, or of hostage-holding, but according to every