The return of Law and Order Mothership

Update. It took barely four months from incident to the “ripped from the headlines” episode about a Health CEO murdered by a guy in a hoodie and a manifesto with rejected treatment claims, who becomes a folk hero.

Unlike 2002’s “Undercovered”, dealing with the same basic issues, the 2025 episode pulled a fast one and chicken shitted out of giving the verdict. I think the only other time that was done was when they plead their case at the SCOTUS (“Vaya Con Dios”) .

The episode also continued the revival practice of having judges make completely non-sensical, illogical and most likely reversible rulings in order to get the plot they wanted.

Also an episode of SVU (“Doubt”).

That last episode was super hard to watch, with the girl who got pushed off the high line. It felt like an episode of SVU to me (which I find hard to watch).

I guess I just can’t stand the thought of kids getting killed, and add on who committed the murder…yikes.

I’m a week behind…

Instead of ripped from the headlines, this one was ripped from older episodes, specifically Criminal Intent (Magnificat). Except in that case, the father was even more responsible, and they didn’t even go to trial.

Maybe the new DA should look into older case files.

And I would really fire Price. You decide before you get to court to do that, not during. He tanked his own case. You don’t waste time and money to do…nothing. Ask Carver.

(from Magnificat) Goren: “Mr. Carver, isn’t there something in this book that can make him take responsibility?” Carver: “Not when I checked this morning, Detective.”

One the newest one, the detectives were chasing. suspect, and he threw “something” in the East River. Riley said it was a gun, Shaw said it was a harddrive. The episode hinged on “inherent bias”. Neither a gun nor a harddrive was recovered from the river. Other than that, the evidence was all circumstantial.

The case went to the jury. He was convicted. I went back on the DVR and checked. it was clearly a harddrive. I wonder if this episode will be revisited.

I’m down for clown.

I just rewatched season 2 (1991) episode “Aria”, and I was so surprised to see her in it. 33 years between appearances!

Yeah, a bad episode. First of all the blood would have been likely nixed by the judge in pre-trial motions. And whenRiley said he thought it was a 9mm- a good defense attorney would have called him on that- He was even sure if it was a Glock and that Glock comes in 9mm, .40 and .45, and you cant tell them apart at a distance.

They convicted an innocent man IMHO.

She was in ER (TV show) for 9 years, then a bunch of other stuff, then the Good Wife, and a hole bunch of stuff-

Yeah she was! But I didn’t watch anything she was in other than Newsradio.

Maura Tierney was supposed to appear in the TV series version of Parenthood, but had to back out due to breast cancer treatment.

Folk Hero is of course Luigi - but there’s a milder version of the Rittenhouse judge too

Newest Epi- Nollan actually makes the right moral decision, whereas Samantha not only makes the wrong decision, but ruins evidence that might bring a conviction. The epi implies she might have even killed the dickhead after the not guilty.

Such a complicated piece of crap episode!

First, we already visited the use of non-CODIS DNA testing in this season’s episode 2 “The Perfect Man”. And then Brady goes and does it again. I guess our Lt Columbo doesn’t learn. “What harm would it do?” How about getting an acquittal, trashing the entire case? Probably getting Sam fired or arrested?

Not like Sam should even have a job. She’s by far the worst ADA they’d had in 24 seasons. “Do you think I’m capable?” Well, you drugged your own witness, so, uh, yes!

The judge’s ruling practically guaranteed an acquittal. Now I know why the right complains about “activist judges”. :slight_smile: I know, we only have 40 minutes of story, but the question of third-party DNA matching could be an entire episode.

And the DA? Was he trying to manipulate Price into committing an ethics violation? Nice boss!

Did Sam do it? Do I care? 50-50, and no.

Perfect summary.

The thing is- if they used the bad DNA just to winnow down the list of possibles, and then arrested him on other probable cause (they had that- before Sam ruined it)- they could have got a DNA sample when booking. If Sam had just sent out detectives (that’s their job) to talk to the doorman, plus a few other pieces of evidence- they had evidence of them being together, etc- that would have been probable cause.

There was the whole “texting friend”, who sent the text that the victim should call the cops. A witness who may have actually known the killer’s name, but a witness the showrunners didn;t even bother to cast, or even name. With this witness they could have found other ways to get DNA.

Of courser! She’s a loose cannon. She’s “taking it personal!!” She shouldn’t have been within 50 yards of the case. It’s not even the legitimate way she ruined the case is bad, even the perception of bias could have been enough. She’s not only incompetent, she’s insubordinate.

Now, I didn’t bother to go back and check the dialog, but I don’t think Sam said anything the bellman witness quoted her as saying, like the killer being certain, or the “he looks like a model” comment. I was watching her for leading the witness. Maybe I should go check. See what caliber of witness I would make!

Man if the voters knew how bad the DA manages his department, he’d be out on his ass.

I went back and looked after all. Sam never said anything about “looks like a model”, and she didn’t say what she said exactly like the witness quoted. Though I do think she went too far. She said “we need you to identify a killer”, but never said anything about being certain “he was the killer”.

Don’t know if that is the writers cheating, ir the character’s perception of the events changing his memories.

Good point.

Finally watched this one. They’ve got two murders over a decade apart (there’s no issue with matching the DNA from the two murders). There’s got to be only a very short list of people connected to both victims - and getting a warrant for a legitimate DNA match (or obtaining DNA in another legal way) after that would nail him for both crimes (separate trials or not)

These seasons, it seems the writers want the result they want, and work backwards to get there. The trouble is, the results they want don’t work in our world.

And for some reason, they want a personal story of Sam murdering her sister’s killer. I don’t think any viewer is begging for such a story arc.