OK, Lib, I’m going to try one more time. First of all, no one is saying that you can’t give your opinion. People are just disagreeing with it. The martyr shit ain’t playin’ here. It’s my opinion that your hijack about Lynn’s health is ridiculous. This is a thread about the warnings in another thread. Lynn is under no obligation to participate but since she did, twice, and didn’t tell us to stop or shut this thing down, it’s safe to assume that the only one bothered by the very existence of this thread is you. If you had never started railing about toothaches, this puppy would have been on Page 2 last night.
It’s my further observation, one that has been shared by a few others in this and other threads, that you’ve been way more senstive than normal lately. People who know you way better than me have shown genuine concern. You’re acting really kooky lately. Think about it.
Jesus Christ on a pogo stick, Lib! I didn’t say your defense of her is an act but rather that you’ve been acting like an overprotective big brother.
So why is it that the only one who says that is you? She’s said she doesn’t feel like responding yet. We’ll wait.
Abcess or no abcess, Lynn herself has joked about having little patience, especially when it comes to joke threads. What’s wrong with the rest of us doing the same?
A defense which is not necessary. Might want to get your eyes checked, you’re still reading things that aren’t there.
What, you think he’s trying to get us riled up by posting things he doesn’t really believe? We have a word for that.
If you think I’m a troll, e-mail a mod. The least you could do is argue honestly. If you’re resorting to slurring me personally, then you’ve become desparate. I’m not saying that sickness excuses anything. I’m saying that a sick person who is a five-year veteran and friend of everyone here deserves some fucking slack.
Good Lord – the drama queen has come out to play. Please, Lib, let’s not have yet another woe-is-me meltdown…it really hasn’t been long enough since the last one, and people will eventually grow tired of these antics.
In fact, wasn’t the last one about you getting all pissy with Lynn for not clarifying the rules??
Thanks, Furt. I guess you’re right. I did wonder who would be the first shitbrain to bring up my prior dispute with Lynn. I should have known it would be the heel-nipper that calls itself Leander.
I know you hate to be reminded of what a jackass you made of yourself (just a few short months ago) – particularly as you seem to be strutting around the place lately like you’re the arbiter of all things SD – but frankly I think people ought to know what kind of an idiot you really are.
Sorry, little buddy…don’t like it? Tough. You shouldn’t have been a nasty asshole to Lynn back then, and you shouldn’t have run off to another forum to cry like a bitch.
Not that I expect you to be up on all the latest news in the LGBT communities, but many folks (particularly younger folks) identify as queer. Similarly, many in the lesbian community prefer to be called a dyke. That’s why I used the term “self-identifiers,” in case you missed it.
This is what I hate about the concept of hate-speech. I’m a traditionalist: The remedy for bad speech is more speech. A warning from a mod in a context like this is serious because it has the potential to chill free discussion. The fact that people are afraid to post perfectly legitimate questions shows that that is exactly what happened here.
Airman did absolutely nothing he need apologize for. He did not express anything hateful. On the contrary, he was trying to expose a hateful stereotype. I hope sarcastic hyperbole is not now verbotten on this board.
The idea that merely using a particular word, regardless of its context, constitutes “hate speech” is the ultimate in PC silliness. I’m extremely distressed to see it cropping up on the SDMB. Under the new rule (and it most certainly is a new rule) we’ll be banning Cecil, next.
Lib, you insane asshole, stop it. Seriously. You’re being a flaming prick, just like before; once again, it’s so far beyond the realm of sane behavior that I gotta wonder whether you’re having some sort of manic episode or something. It’s revolting and a little scary.
IMHO, there’s more than one person having serious health problems on the board, and we should be sensitive to all of them, even if we really don’t want to be.
I’m really glad this thread came along, though. I was planning to post an “is this offensive?” question in GQ or IMHO. No slurs, but seeing that the line is this blurry, perhaps I’ll wait on that.
FWIW - nothing whatever, that’s what it’s worth - the “no hate speech” rule is one I think I understand. So does Airman Doors, from his response. So does the other poster, who received a much stronger warning, and deservedly so.
I am one of the premiere Grade-A whiners on the board, and it seemed to me that Lynn Bodoni handled it just about right. Airman was teetering on the edge of jerkhood, the other was way over, and She Who Must Be Feared administered a nuanced Slap Upside the Cyber-Head[sup]TM[/sup].
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Now that I can let out my breath can we pleeeeeze have custom titles? Or at least make CHARTER ASSHAT one of the options?
Pretty please with cream and sugar? And chocolate?
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He was banned for other infractions. I don’t think his use of “sand nigger” was even raised.
No doubt this is true. However, as you may know, there are two types of rules violations. One is a post which is itself a violation of some sort of rule. The other is when the poster is in general being jerkish. I would guess that it is the second type which tends to get the private warning, while the others get the public ones. (I’ve never seen a mod respond to a “why didn’t such-and-such result in a warning?” query by saying it was warned privately.)
Strange. I can’t see where she has even addressed the main issue here, let alone explained it.
My impression is that the main issue here is addressed: use of racial or other slurs is unacceptable even in the context of satirizing those who allegedly hold racist (or homophobic, sexist, etc.) views, with the explanation that using slurs in that fashion is jerkish behavior.
I disagree with that explanation across the board, although in some cases I’d agree with it. It’s not a major issue for me, however.
On the other hand (that’d be the right hand for those keeping track at home), I think there are several related issues that this new rule raises, such as whether gay folks can refer to one another as dyke/queer/faggot without getting a warning, or whether it’s acceptable to discuss racial slurs themselves, or whether it’s acceptable to quote someone using a racial slur. All of these seem to me like acceptable behavior, but then, I thought that the satirical use of racial slurs would be acceptable, too.
What might NOT be acceptable would be assigning particularly base motives to another posters. Just as it’s not acceptable to accuse someone of molesting children, for example, it might not be acceptable to accuse someone of being a racist without accompanying evidence; and the worse the racism you accuse them of, the better your evidence better be. Such a “put up or shut up” rule would be a lot fuzzier, but I’d personally find it a more comprehensible justification for the warning Airman received.
That’s just my thoughts on it. Again, it’s not a huge issue for me, but it’s one I’d like some clarity on, and I’d be happy if it were reconsidered.
Sorry you’re going, Izzy; FWIW, you’ve been one of my favorite members of the loyal opposition :). Best of luck in all you do.
As I see it the main issues is the fact that a policy apparently not apparent to the majority of posters is assumed to be part of the “don’t be a jerk” rule, and further, that this policy has apparently never been enforced in this manner before. (I gave the example of Collounsbury above, but I am pretty sure it has been pretty widely practiced. E.g. by gays and other anti-homophobes, characterizing the thoughts of homophobes, and similar such.)
Hey, you won’t have IzzyR to kick around anymore … But I shall be around till the end most likely (besides for Passover). So get in your kicks while you can…
