The SDMB Mommy's Group (Daddies Welcome!)

We’re bad parents too. Or so the common wisdom goes.

She likes Happy Meals. She knows pretty much every major “character” or “movie” or whatever… “Home on the Range, dada!”… “Look, Daddy - Elmo!” (and we don’t even watch Elmo?)…“Dora!” She loves, loves, loves going to the mall - it is easily her favorite thing to do. She watches far more than the “recommended” amount of TV a day, and not all of it is stuff for kids - Mommy has a list of “safe” Buffy episodes (including the musical, to which Sophie sings along), and Daddy has no problem turning the TV to “Police Chase Videos” or the news while Sophie is in the room. She has her favorite CD’s (including Barney), her favorite movies (the Lion King), her favorite junk food (popcorn. And ice cream, always ice cream with children. Pure heaven.) She likes eating out. She likes wasting her time on the swings at the parks, she like combing the hair of her “My Pretty Pony” (and Sophie calls it “My Pretty Pony”), she much prefers the singing styles of current 14 year-old teenybopping girls more than 18th-century sopranos (tested), she is big, wholesome, and corn-fed.

The common wisdom is this: Modern culture, American culture is bad. Simplistic, wasteful, damn near moronic. Hollywood is shallow. Pop/Rap/Country music is vapid and has always sucked. They don’t write books like they used to, they don’t make movies like they used to, they don’t blah, blah, blah mindless consumerism, blah, blah, blah. Caring parents do all they can to shield their child from these horrible influences, all the better if they do so by scheduling their 3 year-old to all sorts of various activities (“Two is not too young for ballet, is it dear?”)*, loser parents take their kids to McDonalds on their way to the movies, ensuring that, “Yes, I need the Hello Kitty toy that is not a toaster - we already have 3 of those!”

Poppycock! (Sorry for the language, but this isn’t the Pit, you know. :wink: )

We live in a rich and varied culture, we Americans, one continually enriched and made anew by our gift of assimilation, from the “blandness” of McDonalds to the spiciness of Cajun cooking, to the simplicity of “Titanic” to the quirkiness of “Big Fish”, from Bing Crosby to P. Diddy, modern American culture is the most diverse and widespread of national cultures in the history of the planet, it’s only challenger in scale would be the English, but not in diversity. From motion pictures to modern (post-1955) music to television to even sports (especially baseball and basketball), America has largely been the pace-setter worldwide in these forms, and even those that we haven’t (say, theatrical productions), we’ve still done some quality work.

And it’s odd, saying this, because I was one of those twenty-somethings, the one’s who knew everything about parenting, who could actually utter the words “My child will…” without realizing how… inexperienced and naive I sounded. And I vowed that my kid would never watch Barney, that I would be reading (get this!) Ayn Rand to her by their second year (pardon me while I castigate myself: :smack: . Thanks.), that the house would be peaceful, with Mozarts piano concertos lightly playing in the background, my two-year old and I carefully going through the flash cards as we both were learning… some other language (I never had which language quite clear). I was even against perpetuating the “Santa Claus myth”, declaring in the sort of intellectual smugness only a 24 year-old could muster, that lying to our child will do her more harm than… seeing all her friends get presents year after year while she doesn’t, I guess.

:smack: :wally

:rolleyes:

:wally !

Somewhere along the line I remembered - I went to McD’s, I did the Santa Claus thing, I knew all the cartoons that were on (this was the mid-seventies, though, so nowhere near as many as today), I read comic books rather than Tolstoy (or Ayn Rand), saw Star Wars and paid no attention to Annie Hall (hated it, actually, for having the temerity to beat the Greatest Movie of All Time for B. Picture), spent my summers riding bikes and visiting grandparents rather than Reading Camp or Karate school and, well, I turned out OK.

As will Sophie.

She lives a happy life, one where she is told constantly (and I mean hourly, more) how much she is loved and appreciated, how fun she is, and how much happier we are with her in our lives. She is an extraordinarily friendly child, one who has no qualms about walking up to strange children and saying “Hi, I’m Sophie.” She has parents that adore her, she lives in a world pleasant, interesting, knowledgable, and mostly friendly, she wakes up each morning eager to get out of bed… and a large part, possibly the large part of that is the nation and culture that she’s in.

My daughter is an American. As long as it’s legal, I don’t care what she becomes - bra burning lesbian, loving housewife, career woman (or hell, all three - why not?) But, regardless, she is still an American, and to me that implies a few things about the attitude that she should take to in life: optimism, friendliness, confidence, and yes, a pursuit of happiness… and it shows in our entertainment, especially our children’s entertainment.

*I remember thinking that it would be cool to “raise a Mozart”… until I learned that it’s a lot easier being “Mozart” when your father is one of the premiere violin instructors outside Vienna than when your old man can’t even tell you which key is which on a piano without having to think about it.

Sorry for ramblin’, it’s 4:00am and I’ve been away from the net for a week. I guess I just let it all hang out.

JohnT, Bravo! That was beautiful! Yes, I well remember the days, just prior to parenthood, when I said things like “I will never stick my kid in front of the TV just because I don’t feel like dealing with them!” Ha! I’ve eaten those words so many times it’s a wonder our grocery bill isn’t lower!

fessie, yes, the under-3 warning is to protect the manufacturer, but I would put at least some of the blame on litigious consumers. Say, for example, some 18-month old was playing, unsupervised, with a very small toy, and choked on it. Does the mother think “OMG, why wasn’t I watching her?” Or does the mother automatically shuffle the blame to the manufacturer “How come nobody told me this could happen?” and sue the asses of the manufacturer? Sadly, too many people (at the prompting of certain lawyers) would have chosen option B.

The fact is, some kids are good about not putting stuff in their mouths and some kids aren’t. If your kids put everything in their mouths, use your own good judgment, but watch them carefully with the smaller things. Common sense is nice, but all too many folks seem unaware of how and when to apply it.

Well, I’ve got work to do, but I’m going to post my dinner recipes later.

Wow.

Dopers rule.

:slight_smile:

Thanks for the input! I enjoy having my judgement honed by your more experienced voices, it’s really helpful.
JohnT, I love reading your essays.!

Well, the point is that too many parents castigate themselves for “taking the easy way out” when they pop that frozen pizza in the microwave, or put the Barney DVD on “infinite repeat” (or so it seems).

American culture has an intrinsic worth all it’s own, and it is neither vapid nor shallow nor moronic, words used to disparage the efficiency of our art. While there’s lots of it that one doesn’t necessarily have to like, an honest appreciation of our culture would show that there are more talented people working in the arts and entertainment fields today (both professionals and amatuers), in more styles and forms, than there have ever been, and that they are putting more thought to their work than ever before. Much of this is because there are more people, but even more is because we’re damned good at producing it and even better at distributing it.

Sophie’s birthday is next week and she is thrilled to death about it. We’re going to have about 6 kids (and assorted parents) over, and today we ordered her cake and balloons. Presents are already bought, and Sophie makes sure to tell everybody about her birthday… and I mean everybody. Halloween is coming up, and mom is dressing Sophie up as Athena, the Greek Goddess. We always do the mall thing at Halloween, and, like her birthday, Sophie cannot wait: “We’re gonna have my birthday and then Halloween!”

Potty training has hit an unexpected snag - her BM’s have dropped in number, as she’s holding them in, not wanting to do them either in the toilet or in a diaper. :smack: Three days in a row she had a BM in a retail establishment, in her underwear, making a huge mess. “I’s sorry, mama, I’s sorry.” She has been waking up at night with them, and we’re having to use the diapers far more than we wanted because of this little hang-up of hers.

This is irritating, but not much to get worked up about as this, too, shall pass. :rimshot:

But seriously, she’ll get over it in time. No big deal.

JohnT, when my middle daughter potty-trained, she peed in the potty a good six months before she pooped in the potty. She would bring me a diaper when she had to poop. Her pediatrician said not to press the issue, just let her poop in the diaper, she would poop in the potty when she was ready. And the first time she pooped in the potty, I made a huge deal out of it, and then she always did it. There are three things you cannot force a child to do: eat, sleep, and go to the bathroom. So this is where their battlegrounds are. But you’re absolutely right. Don’t make a big deal of it one way or the other, and she’ll be fine.

Okay now I feel bad, Caterpie is watching Sing Along Songs in his high chair eating a biscuit (he ate all his lunch :slight_smile: )

I try to not let it get to me what others say about my parenting. I’m doing the best I can, I love my son and he’s happy and healthy (except for a cold right now but on the whole…)

I figure if the child is happy, healthy, not sitting in front of the TV all the time (or computer or wherever… reading books outside though is fine :wink: ) then we’re doing good. So many parenting boards are just so… judgemental. We recently had a troll at one which is a decent board most of the time (I just stay away from topics I don’t want to get into) and in a discussion about an 11 y/o boy who had attempted to rape an old lady she suddenly popped out with ‘Well one day your child will be doing stuff like this and we’ll be discussing it.’ My jaw dropped that she would say something about a baby who’s just learning to walk while holding on to things…

Considering he’s quite happy, growing fast (oh man so fast!) and hitting all his developmental stuff I figure I’m doing a good job :slight_smile: I let her slide because I knew she was trolling.

Just as I clicked “submit reply”, she came into the room, holding her butt with her left hand, stinking to high heaven. And she just went to the potty no less than 10 minutes before.

:rolleyes:

Hey, I know what you mean. . .we had a Dilbert book in the bathroom (shutup; ya gotta read something in there), and my four-year-old came in and saw it and said “oh, Dilbert!”. How the hell did she know who Dilbert was??

Okay, folks, today’s menu, complete with recipes.

Crock-Pot Deviled Chicken

6 TBSP each, butter and brown mustard
6 boneless, skinless chickent thighs
18 pkts Splenda
1/4 tsp. each nutmeg and crushed red pepper
1 C quick-cooking brown rice
1 can chicken broth

Put all ingredients except rice and chicken broth in crock pot; cook on low, stirring occasionally for 5 hours. Add rice and half of chicken broth, stir, cook for additional hour to hour and a half, adding more broth as needed. Serve when chicken is falling apart and rice is cooked.

Gingered Carrots

1 can carrots, drained
1 TBSP each butter and sugar-free maple syrup
1/4 tsp. ginger powder

Combine all ingredients in microwave-safe bowl; microwave on medium for 4-5 minutes. Stir well, serve.

I served these delectable dishes with Pillsbury Crusty Wheat Dinner Rolls (in your grocer’s freezer case).

My 3 year old was nagging me at a stop light. She saw all the other cars going but us. I explained that we were waiting for the left turn arrow. She’s now the back seat driver from hell :slight_smile:

The big birthday bash is tomorrow. If we survive, I will let everyone know how it went.

(I’m late to the discussion, but what the hell… :smiley: )

My attitude to the “small things that choke” issue has never been the same since we started taking the Small Girl to the park. She LOVES the park, it has nifty slides to slide on. And swings to swing on. And woodchips. Lots and lots of woodchips… to eat :smack:

So for the first 3 or 4 visits, I’m madly running around trying to STOP her from stuffing her face full of woodchips - basically an impossible task, since sucking on woodchips seemed to be her highest aspiration at the time. I got a whole lot more blase about the whole thing eventually, though never what you’d call happy

Anyway, she never choked, and she seems to have mostly gotten over her woodchip-eating compulsion.

Still, there she is, at 13 months, playing every day in a play area with litterally millions of items which totally fail the toilet-roll test (actually, the version I know is the “film-cannister test” - same diff anyway). It makes it a bit hard to be concerned about the occasional squeaky-toy under an inch wide!

Aspidistra, my guess would be that your little one got over the wood chip eating compulsion because you stopped trying to stop her from eating wood chips! Yes, little ones can be contrary that way. At some point, most of them think “Oh, let’s see what it would take to send mom completely over the edge?” so they do something that’s guaranteed to drive you batty. Some child-development experts say that children this young are not capable of being manipulative. I don’t believe a word of it!

My husband has a saying: “Anyone who doesn’t believe in original sin hasn’t spend enough time with two-year-olds”

:wink: :smiley:

Let’s see. She had surgery last Thursday so of course we were all there for her, then brought her home. He had a rollerhockey game on Friday night while she was busy recovering. She napped fitfully while he surfed the Internet and IM’d with his buddies and chick-pals.

Saturday, I rented “Superstar” for her to watch with me while he did chores and practiced electric guitar.

What?

Nobody set an age limit :smiley:

My little ones are 14 1/3rd and 12 5/6ths.

:slight_smile:

Hey, the more the merrier Cartooniverse!

How’s your daughter recovering? Getting back to herself?

Yes, hope your kid is doing well, Cartooniverse.

DangerDad has gone on a business trip. He’s exhausted and lonely, I’m harried but at least getting a lot of sewing done. Also, we can eat pancakes for dinner and nobody cares. To make it just a tad more hair-raising, I’m doing the preschool group for the first time this week, my parents are also out of town, and I have a field trip in a couple of days too (I run school trips at the library; tiny but fun job).

But last night I still got our weekly babysitter, and went out to dinner with a friend. So that was fun!
Does anyone else, esp. with tiny kids, do that thing where when your spouse is gone, you have no incentive to cook? I don’t know, maybe it’s because there isn’t anyone to talk with and have a nice grownup pleasant time with, but I stop wanting to cook real meals when DDad is gone. It makes me feel slightly unfeminist, like somewhere inside me I think he’s the one who deserves a real dinner. Or maybe it’s really just that I’m lazy. :stuck_out_tongue:

You’re not the only one… only I’m cooking for myself and Mom. Most of the time if I don’t cook supper we never really have any, just biscuits or something. When my brother comes over though, I go all out. Instead of the soup and buns I was planning to have we end up with steak and potatoes or whichever I have handy…

Well, since Cartooniverse started it, I feel justified in answering (my own tiny kids are almost 15 and 11 1/2). Yes, I do this all the time, and I have for a long time. It got to the point when I had to lay down the law (for myself as well as them) because it seemed like we were at the fast food place as soon as Mr. Legend’s plane was in the air, and he went through a period of traveling over half the time.

When I realized that there were no clean glasses but I still didn’t have a full dishwasher load because there were no plates or bowls, I realized we really needed to eat at home more.

Well, hubbynew is out of town Monday thru Friday quite often. However, since I have three kids, and two of them are teenagers, I still mostly cook anyway. However, when he’s gone, I’ll cook stuff that’s quick and easy that we like but he doesn’t. For instance, to me, hot dogs, cut up and simmered in baked beans, served with buttered wheat bread (to dip in the bean juice) is proof of the existence of a loving God. It’s also ridiculously easy and cheap. Hubby doesn’t care for it (bless his heart, he never says anything when I serve it to him anyway; he just eats; he’s not a complainer, for which I’m eternally grateful). And, every once in a blue moon when he’s out of town, I’ll announce an “FFY” which in our household means “Fend For Yourself”. I’ll throw a sandwich and some apple slices on a plate for the little one, the older ones will fix canned soup or some such, and I usually eat cold cereal after the baby’s in bed.

Cartooniverse, glad your progeny is doing well! My 13-year-old is going for some minor outpatient surgery this Wednesday. She wore the same pair of earrings for too long. She thought the back had fallen off of the right one, but it turns out some skin actually grew over it :eek: , and the doctor says it has to be surgically removed, under general anesthesia. She’s never had an IV before, and she’s pretty nervous about it.

I know it’s kind of lame to quote myself here…but I’d just like to point out that I was wrong, wrong, wrong. Today is my due date, and not a twinge or contraction in sight.
I know things can happen quickly when they do happen, but color me impatient.
I feel like I’m waiting for a delayed flight to be called—I packed for the trip long ago, my bags are checked, I’ve got my boarding pass.
Now just call my damn flight!