THe Search for Spock---Or more Spock Questions

Wait — WHAT?!
Would anyone care to elaborate on this?

And I guess Odo on DS9, huh?

I think it was Star Trek 5, just after the Save The Whales one. It sucked, hard. 'Ol Billy Shatners turn to direct. Ugh, it was horrible.

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I’m reading this right before I go and watch it.

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*Originally posted by bernse *
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Oh – that’s the one I missed. Glad I did, I s’pose.

Well… Just realise that the movie you see and the script that originally left the writers typewriter or printer aren’t even close. Paramount buchered the movie inbetween badly. Nimoy in an interview in Salon awhile back mentions this.

Movie still bites tho. Does have one of my favorite quotes, tho.

“Why does God need a Starship?” - Dr. McCoy

Regarding the occurence of pon far, in the movie after Spock died and was resurrected on the Genesis planet, the accelerated growing up Spock did “it” with Kirstie Alley’s female Vulcan character. It is not highlighted, but if you watch/listen closely, it is vaguely insinuated. It had to happen.

I will now return to my regular science fiction universe, that of Star Wars.

mipsman:

Minor point: In Star Trek III (the “movie after Spock died”) Kirstie Alley had been replaced by Robin Curtis in the role of Vulcan Lt. Saavik.

Sarek, Surak, Spock – is there a rule that Vulcan names have to start with S and end with k?

Male Vulcans have names starting with “S”. Females start with “T’P”: T’Pring, T’Pau. The later series ditched these rules, I think.

I remember Spock more than once saying things like ‘happiness is not logical’…

And what about the episode where they had to confuse the robots and Spock said the supposedly illogical sentence, “logic is a little bird chirping in a tree.” Sounds perfectly logical to me, Mr. Pointy-Ears.

At one point they considered having all Vulcans having names that began with “sp” and eding with “k”. See “The World of Star Trek” a book that came out during the first season of Star Trek and has been reprinted many times since. There is a hilarious exchange of memos between Bob Justman and someone else (Gene L. Coon?) on exactly this issue.

Obviously, they didn’t keep it up. Tuvok doesn’t fit. Heck, they dropped the “sp” in place of “s” early enough.

In the book previously mentioned, Spock’s World, the reason for this is to honor Surak, the founder of the logic movement. And I do recall that all Vulcan females didn’t have to have T’P; just the T’ was enough. I seem to recall a T’Mei somewhere along the line.

Of course, just when they establish all the rules, they get rid of them for the Next Generation and the films (Tuvok? Valeris?) Except that Saavik is a Romulan name, meaning “Little Cat.”

And pepperlandgirl, no one has mentioned yet that when this whole revolution of logic on Vulcan took place, there was a large group of people who didn’t like it very much. They left the planet and later became the Romulans.

That reference should be to Stephen E. Whitfield’s book “The Making of Star Trek”, not to David Gerrold’s much later “The World of Star Trek”

Hold up… Why’d Kirk refer to Spock as Mr. Spock? Do Vulcans have last names? I seem to recall Spock telling Kirk his first name was unpronouncable, but they’ve used that old unpronouncable name excuse in a bunch of sci-fi series at this point, so I can’t recall. Anyone know?

HeHEM!

If you’re interested in more non-canonical Spock insights, check out A.C. Crispin’s Yesterday’s Son and its sequel, which I believe is called Time for Yesterday.

Since you seem sort of interested in the ST novels: some of them are interesting and readable. Others, not so much.

pezwookiee:

You’re close. Spock never said that to Kirk, but in the episode “This Side of Paradise” Spock fell under the influence of spores that made him express his emotions, and he fell in love with a character played by Jill Ireland.

After he came to his senses, and was about to beam back up to the Enterprise, they had a goodbye scene wherein she asked:

“Don’t you have another name?”

Spock smiled wryly and answered: “You couldn’t pronounce it.”

The underlining is mine. The implication of this scene is that Spock is not his entire name, but whether that “other name” is a first or a last name, we don’t know.

“I, Mudd”

Five, I thought that Jill Ireland’s character said “You never told me your first name.” I suppose I could be mistaken on that, though.

Kirk: (something like) Let’s continue the tour, Mrs…?
Amanda: Amanda, Captain. You couldn’t pronounce the Vulcan family name.
Kirk: (charmingly) Can you?
Amanda: (amused) After a fashion, and many years of practice! Shall we continue the tour Captain, my husband did request it.

  • from “Journey to Babel”, introductory episode for Sarek and Amanda, which the OP definitely should rent at the video store for starters to understand Spock