Under its current usage (sheeple, buying into whatever some mysterious or nefarious person/organization is foisting), I can’t imagine it has any other origin than Jonestown. Practically speaking at least.
Hmmm. Maybe I’ll sic the GQ crowd on it…
Octopodes, if you want to be utterly pedantic. (I actually like “platypodes” instead of platypuses.)
If it were still a Greek (or even still reasonably considered a “borrowed”) word, I’d be completely on board the “octopodes” train. But I think it’s indisputably English at this point, so I stick with “octopuses.”
To be utterly pedantic. 
That’s not utterly pedantic. To be utterly pedantic you have to object to phrases like “with au jus,” or “the hoi polloi.”
The Second Stone, I have a Q, and it has nothing to do with elevator violence.
Is your username a reference to Jesus? You know, the guy who said “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.” Your name implies you’re going to wait for somebody else to cast the first stone and then start your own barrage, so that JC can’t technically single you out for being judgmental. Or, you’ll throw two stones at the same time and disclaim “What? He just said ‘stone’ as in singular case. He didn’t say stones!”
Yes, I’m just really shitty at it. Anyway, that was my thought at the time. “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.” Well, I thought it would be really funny to wait for someone else to cast the first stone, then let fly repeatedly. Turns out that I am rather uncreative at insulting and the best stuff I have is mere plagiarism, which, at an educated site, only results in more mockery.
I’ve explained the origin before, but you get points on being the first person to guess it.
Here’s and original: When Giraffe goes to confession, his pedophile priest throws up in disgust. See? not quite right.
When Giraffe beats his wife he gets arrested for bestiality.
It was supposed to be a “pie” joke. Guess it fell a bit flat… 
Ugh, I’m late.
This is what I think about this whole clusterfuck, honest-to-goodness, take it or leave it. I think you have heard a handful of people erroneously say that men cannot be domestic violence victims, and this upsets you, because men can, in fact, also be victims. No man or woman should in any circumstances have to put up with abusive shit regardless of what gender is dishing the abuse. Not everybody embraces that truth, and those people are wrong.
However, those people are not very well represented in this particular thread. When you someone writes ‘‘Second Stone is a piece of shit for defending Ray Rice,’’ you hear, ‘‘Men can’t also be victims of domestic violence.’’ But that’s not the intended message. The intended message is that this video in particular is a pretty clear-cut case of a man abusing a woman, and the fact that you don’t immediately see that is evidence that you are prone to rationalizing domestic violence in general.
My favorite Marvel supervillain is Galactus, this enormous dude who roams the universe eating planets. If Galactus shows up, your planet is fucked. And generally whenever super heroes try to reason with him, he sort of swats them aside like irritating gnats. That’s how inconsequential humans are to him.
In this video, Ray Rice reminds me a lot of Galactus. Janay may arguably be trying to interfere with him physically in some way - and we don’t really know why - but he does not find her threatening in the least, as evidenced by the fact that he immediately corners her in the elevator. If anyone is having the ‘‘fight or flight’’ response here, it is Janay.
I have no doubt there are cases where women abuse men and men are blamed for their own abuse. I have heard several such cases on this board and at least some of them must be true. But this is actually a terrible example of that. It is such a terrible example that several people feel the need to question your judgment. It is such a terrible example that the kinds of things you are saying in this thread are reminiscent of things abusers say to justify their abuse. I suspect your concern for male victims in general is hindering your ability to take this situation at face value.
It makes her a victim. That’s what victims do. I can’t pretend to understand the psychology of a domestic violence survivor, but it’s extremely common for anyone in a traumatic situation to blame themselves for what is happening.
Finally, if you seriously, for real have jsgoddess on ignore, this is a pretty big sign you may want to re-evaluate your life.
Cal Meacham solved this problem, as referenced by my signature.
Well, then, platypies would be “flat pies.”
But I’m not sure “When come back, bring eight pies” or “When come back, bring flat pies” really works.
Ok, I give up. My signature is ‘‘Gimme and octopus, and while you’re at it, give me another.’’
Prize goes to Giraffe. He took a shot at one with this thread, and the splash damage ended up flushing and sinking another.
I generally agree with your post with some exceptions, but some agreement. Ray Rice is a very disturbing man, particularly the way he treats the limp body. The video is clear cut, and I’m not rationalizing it. But it is clear cut the other way.
Galactus is stupid and boring and probably the worst character in all of comics. Even his herald is far more interesting then he is, and Silver Surfer is the fantasy of a perpetual pothead.
jsgoddess being on my ignore list is probably earned. I don’t remember what initially did it, but the quotes and peeks I’ve made in this column show her to be less worthy of attention than adaher. She comes off as just nasty and with an ego-maniacal user-name. Basically Giraffe without the humility, such as that is.
Domestic violence is a bad thing. Mmm-kay. The videos I’ve see doesn’t have Ray Rice starting this fight. He tries to step away before the knock down. She pursues. Now, he may have started the fight much earlier, he may have been spitting mad, but the swings I saw on camera have her starting this fight. Normally when a beaten spouse/partner denies being beaten, I tend to disbelieve it. But in this case, the video supports her version of the events. The video seems to me to be clear, but her support of it really makes controverting it seem strained.
As for men being beaten. Yes, it happens. I know two older men (one now dead) who were regularly sent to the emergency room by their younger women partners. These were/are regularly and notoriously violent women. It does happen. Why these guys let these women hang around is beyond me. They don’t fight back. And that is probably wise as nobody would believe that they didn’t start it. That isn’t how the courts work. The local courts informally presume that the man is responsible and that presumption is usually where they start and end for restraining orders.
As for Ray and Janay Rice, I wouldn’t be friends with either of them. There is just way too much hitting going on. I think their remaining together will result in Janay being seriously injured or dead and Ray going to prison for it. Ray is a bad guy, but the video demonstrates it by the treatment of her unconscious body, not their altercation.
Now you’ve gone too far. Defending women beaters is fine but this is beyond. Wow. I can’t even.
TSS, does it really matter if she started a fight or not? Guys have one option when/if a woman gets violent, and that’s stay out of her range and leave the area. Exactly what Rice should have done.
A super duper huge giant human who eats planets? Wouldn’t eating moons made of green cheese make more sense? And he just lives in space in that ridiculous outfit? Where does he go potty?
Exactly. They should head for the nearest divorce lawyer. Just as women with violent partners should do.
Nah. I’d be tempted to put me on ignore. Heck, I made someone cry in this very thread with my bad jokes!
Except that there are multiple places up thread that link to longer videos, and to press discussions of longer videos, and to conversations with people who saw the longer videos (building security) and the confrontation in the hallway. And you can find those YOURSELF with about 5 minute of looking on the YouTube or the the Google.
So you might just not want to see them. Because I’ve looked at them (as have most people who are getting tired of saying this to you). Ray spits on her. More than once. It sounds like the only thing you’ve seen is that really short TMZ clip where she’s gonna slap, after the third spit, which they don’t really show, and then he hits her.
So yeah, they’re arguing, he spits on her several times, she tries to slap, doesn’t really connect, and he hits her.
As Spice Weasel so excellently said, domestic abuse is not ok. Never. No matter who is abusing whom. Husband to wife. Wife to husband. Caregiver to sick/homebound patient. Think of the combination and it happens. As a society we need to do better for everyone who is abused.
You are being pitted because a) you seem to be willfully only looking at the barest of the evidence IN THIS CASE and b) you therefore come across as an MRA nut/domestic abuse apologist.
If that is not your intention, feel free to knock it off. If it is your intention, you’re in the right place.
He’s only 5’8" in the program. 212 pounds of solid muscle, sure, but I think “super duper huge giant” might be a bit much.
(It is possible, however, that he does need to constantly eat or die. I hear many running backs are like that.)
I’ve looked at every link in the thread and most don’t even go to videos. They show no spitting. I’m not saying there is spitting going on or not, but you guys are the sorts who see bigfoot in bigfoot videos that aren’t filmed by Patterson. The videos have no such detail.
Had the man any sense, he would have never got on the elevator. But he has no sense. He bangs his brains against football players as part of his job description.