The Self-Righteous BS Here is Becoming Nauseating

I have been reading these boards daily for over two years. I can safely say I have read every fucking thread in every forum, with the exception of some MPSIMS fluff and some in CCC or CSR.

I have seen it all. Phaedrus, Serlin, Concrete, the “Melin Thing”, “The Left Behind Fiasco” (Where on that board some of you became the asshole trolls you so decry here), “Satan’s (Stan A) Banning”, “Freak Feely Meltdown”, so on, and more recently JDT, the ongoing “Stoid vs The Evil Right Election Thing :)”(BTW Stoid, I disagree with you on a lot of issues, but I bet you would be waay cool to hang out with) Wildest Bill, the ever-present sock invasions and many more famous/infamous board moments I can’t recall offhand.

The thing is, in the last six months or so I have noticed a subtle change in the tenor of the boards.

The main thing I have noticed is the increased tendency for some long-time “established” posters to castigate relative newbies for posting OPINIONS or views that said oldtimers have expoused before, and oftimes with more sarcasm, vitriol, hypocrisy, etc than the newbie!

A few general examples:
(Oh, and no, I am not going to link threads, or give fucking specifics, you can draw your own conclusions, because if you see yourself in this thread, you will know it, and if you don’t, you probably won’t care.)

  1. Newbie A posts in the Pit: Christians Suck!
    Oldtimer response: Do you have a cite? How dare you slam someones Religion! Righteous Indignation.

Yes, I know how it works, but the above oldtimer will gleefully rant about “fucking fundies, Xian assholes”, etc when given the opportunity in other threads.

  1. This is NOT a mod bash. Newbie B posts politely (mind you) in ATMB. "I disagree with a mod’s actions re X thread.

Oldtimer response (invariably to the Pit): “You stupid fuck!
Who the fuck are you with 30 posts? If you don’t like it, leave shithead!”

Where the oldtimer posted the exact same shit three months before and got a chorus of “Oh yeah, I hear ya.”

  1. Apparently, irony and sarcasm are now off limits here, at least to newbies.

Newbie C makes off color comment/joke in response to OP.
Oldtimer Pit response: “You insensitive cockwad, how dare you insult my mother/father/kid/ethnic group/sexual orientation/whatever.”

Where the oldtimer posted the exact same shit three months before and got a chorus of “Dam that was funny, hell, I’ll write a song about it!.”


Yes, some people are trolls. But think about this. Maybe some of these people have lurked a while, read your posts, and admire you? Maybe when they read biting sarcasm, or stinging irony, they might want to emulate your style?

Sure they might present it badly, but that doesn’t mean they are trolls/assholes/goat felching monkey fuckers.

I wish post counts/reg dates weren’t even listed.

Like I said I read this this board every day, and lately it has reminded me of a fucking junior high school pissing contest. I see more and more Pit brawls over perceived slights, semantics, and just plain egocentric crap.

I see virtually no slack for newbies trying to fit in, except for GQ and the social forums.

To be brutally honest, and in light of the recent “pay to play” controversy, I see some long time posters feeling a bit threatened, angered, and scared that their feeling of “power” might be diminished.

In the interest of full disclosure, I have made some remarks that I am sure have pissed some people off. And I have apologized here on the board. But I have not engaged in an unrelenting pattern of ragging on people for stating the same shit that you yourself have got away with.

To anticipate the first response, It will probably be "If you don’t like it, leave asshole!

And the second: A tedious line by line quoting of my post with rebuttals.

I agree with you, although I am not too fast to blame all the “old-timers”. The first time I heard a “newbie” say an insensitive but not particularly trollish remark and be met with a chorus of “I’m emailing the mods”, “you won’t be here long sucker” and “I’m going to make sure the mods ban you soon”, I felt ill. Yo! If you disagree with the man tell him but don’t suck your thumbs and go whining to the mods as if they care what your elitist ass thinks.

I’ll vouch for that. I’ll never forget the first thing she said to me… although I’ll keep that 'tween her and me. :slight_smile:

Anyhoo, Klaatu, I won’t deny that events as you described in your OP exist, but I will express my opinion that they are the exception, rather than the rule. But maybe that’s what you meant.

Well, sven I must point out I am not blaming “all” the oldtimers at all. I want to be very clear on that.

And you basically covered what I wanted to say in just a couple sentences, thanks!

SPOOFE, I missed your reply while I was composing to sven, but sadly I think the exception is gaining.

Or, alternatively, it could be just that the exception is becoming more noticeable. Or maybe it’s just a temporary thing. Trends rise and fall on the SDMB (remember back when every other post seemed to be a lame attempt at an “All your base” gag?).

I agree… trends rise and fall here, as elsewhere…

I really believe, though, that a newbie’s opinion is taken just as seriously as a long-time poster… anyone who says something like “You have only 30 posts? And you’re going to tell me what to think???” is an idiot.

I, and all of us, was a newbie once… but I was no dumber when I had 2 posts than I am now that I have 2000+ posts…

(I’m still a dumb-ass… but that’s something I have had to get used to…:frowning: )

I don’t think old-timers are particularly mean to new-comers. But I agree with Klaatu about two things:

(a) old-timers happily indulge in the type of behaviour that would be criticised and threatened with dire consequences in a new-comer
(b) Stoid is really cool

Cite please? :wink:

Is this possible?

Am glad I wasn’t imagining it. Thanks for the post!! As a FRESH newbie I would have to agree on that. I joined up yesterday because I saw and interesting topic and jumped in with MY OPINIONS and called everything from a TROLL to having one offer to shove items up my anal orifice.

I was told this was a group of people who were open minded and didn’t really get bothered by a difference of opinion and you didn’t have to really tip toe around issues or use small words so as not to offend.

Thanks for the post … now I see it isn’t EVERYONE who acts like an arse on these boards just select power hungry people. Maybe I will stay a while.

As someone who has been here since day one and prior to that a few years on the old AOL board and has more than a few post to her name, I couldn’t agree with you more.

ImChildFREE, I thought you were a troll because you implied that you had joined the message board just to win a bet with your husband (I know, I know, you said afterwards that the bet came after you had joined).

What you say???

Sorry, sorry, it was too easy.

Yes that is right … people started getting uptight and I mentioned it to my hubby and he said that it was odd that he thought people here were pretty opinion to others opinions. He said that for the most part the people here didn’t get riled up easily and THAT is when I told they already were and it wasn’t a REAL bet anyhow … we were going to lunch anyway. But it proved my point to hubby.
Maybe I shouldn’t have said anything as it seems most took THAT and ran with it but the same people were running with every little thing I said ANYHOW so I don’t see much difference.

Then when during a conversation with a friend this board came up she came in to see what the fuss was and she was accused of having my back or something.

Just seems that people are overly paranoid about new people coming in and messing with their orderly way of doing things. If you don’t want new people to come into your world and share opinions and different ideas why are you on the internet in an open message board. Someone said I came bursting into their conversation, as if it were private or something and started bashing people for being wrong. It isn’t a private home, or even a quiet restaurant where people are having PRIVATE conversation it is an OPEN message board.

I am trying not to believe that the majority of the people that post here are overbearing power junkies but it is hard to see past that first impression.

You noticed that too, huh?

::cough:: Hi Diane. Irony much?

I really need to lay off the Sudafed this early grins
should have read “OPEN to OPINIONS” not opinion to opinions …

I think several things are at work here (and damnit, I see on preview that I took so long to compose this, I think everyone has already made these points, and better too…)

One, I think that the events of this fall have made some people think more about community in all its forms. The board included. I suspect that may lead some people to feel more protective of the status quo and desire to preserve important aspects of the board that mean something to them. That may make people a little xenophobic and quick to jump on anyone who doesn’t seem to “get it.”

Two (sort of the one the same subject), let’s not overestimate the overall effects of the past few months on everyone’s psyche. Even if you’re not navel-gazing about community, it’s been a hard time. People feel stress they’ve never felt before.

Three, with the proposed changes in access to the boards (may not be free anymore, at least for posting), the future of the boards seems uncertain. People are worried this won’t be the same place. This also may lead to people being rather too quick to jump on newcomers who (they believe) threaten the ethos or intelligence level of the boards.

For all that, I have seen many many new members be welcomed warmly recently. There are also many Dopers who are quick to scold other Dopers for being self-righteous, even if they are longtime posters and even if it’s sensitive subject matter. Given that, I suggest it’s also possible that once something starts to bug you, you notice it more (even that which was there all along) and don’t take notice of the counterexamples. It might be that the trend you see is real, but not as bad as it’s appearing to you right now.

It was extremely uncharacteristic of me to flame someone new as I did this week (see Childfree’s post above, although I can’t say I agree that she’s entirely blameless as she would have us believe in this thread). I just have to have the right buttons pushed, and the combination of tone, flippancy, and subject matter was like aligning the planets. Am I intolerant of newcomers? No.

I never said I was blameless in fact I took a lot of blame when I admitted that I made the comments about the bet with my hubby. I knew it would piss you off but dammit you can’t treat people like the plague because they are new or have a difference of opinion.

You may think that you are intolerant of newcomers but your behavior yesterday as with MANY others proves otherwise.

This is inappropriate to get into here in any depth. I will say that my behavior yesterday proved that I was intolerant of you. You were the only newcomer whom I jumped on with both feet in that thread, in this week, heck, as far as I can recall, this month… There are a large number of new posters who join this board in any week. I react to them as I react to any longtime poster: in accordance to their behavior towards others on the board.

By your logic, you could say that Cranky is intolerant of all people whose unsernames begins with “I,” just because your username begins with I. That’s not a robust assumption either.

Back to the matter at hand, I say.