October 2002 was sixteen months ago, dodo.
You are obviously better and more intelligent than everyone else, though no one understands you. Go fuck Kurdt Kobain.
im gonna reply with the only response anyone on this board will understand
‘whateva’
I think I can say this now that I’ve listened to the album over and over.
“The Way You Move” is so fucking catchty it should be illegal. It makes me want to get up and groove and I hate dancing.
“When ya feel that B-A-S-S- baby…”
(I’m a guy.)
I don’t have any natural musical talent. I never grasped the concepts musical theory has to offer. However, I did play sax in a jazz band and was a decent sax player when it came to filling out the horn line but was never a god solo artist. I also discovered that jazz is incredibly fun to play, but rather hard for me to enjoy just listening to.
My musical taste are pretty varied. I run from Loreena McKennitt to Disturbed. In reflecting upon who I like and who I detested a pattern did emerge. I hate male pop singers. I like female pop singers who can really sing enough to tolerate the pop genre because they have sexy, silky, or sultry voices. When Beyonce Knowles sings about how much she loves me, I’m willing to listen. Justin Timberlake isn’t going to get the same slack. And some silky shirt guy demanding I shake various body parts isn’t going to get a good response either.
Hey Ya is too close to boy band pop. It’s the Backstreet boys only with an actual groove. An improvement musically, sure. But a curse because Hey Ya is capable of infecting your brain for a much longer period of time. Even you had to post some of it lyrics. It’s a virus I tell ya! I don’t want that in my brain.
As a certified member of the musical elite 
, I am prepared to officially decree that “Hey Ya” is cool. Listening to “Hey Ya” will not get you thrown out of the music snob pantheon, and pitchforkmedia.com will still send you your Valentine’s Day card and autographed Ben Gibbard e-bow.
(I can’t get enough of the four ascending keyboard notes in the chorus. Sooooooo catchy.)
I didn’t fly all the way overseas in the middle seat to listen to some teenage white kid who desperately needs to lighten up have some fun!
Yet you said, “im only 18, but i hate modern music(charts etc)”
So, do you mean to say that you listen to modern music, even though you hate modern music?
And then the modern music you listen to:
You listen to Counting Crows and Powderfinger, yet claim you aren’t into “modern music (charts etc.)” I hardly need to point out that Counting Crows are the nadir of M.O.R chart-dreck, but, should others not know, Powderfinger’s latest album was the fourth highest seller in Australia in 2003. They may be less well known overseas, but in their home country, they are definitely chart music. And, similarly, The Vines and Muse aren’t exactly obscure. Yet you say you 'hate modern music (charts etc)."
“Listening to music shouldn’t (but seems to if this board is anything to go by) be about the decade it was in, or how old i am but simply if its good music. Thats the problem, im actually being chastised because I made an effort, and conscious effort to discover some good music, yes through my parents, through local bands, through a whole variety of mediums.”
Hey, I make an effort. I listen to bands charting and non-charting, modern and not-so-modern. I’m not “chastising” you because you’re “making an effort.” I’m “chastising” you because you’re a fucking moron.
“Hey Ya!” is a damn cool song. It’s undeniably a timeless classic, and I’ll bet dollars to donuts our kids’ll be listening to it twenty years from now.
Anyhow, with the whole “all the good music has already been made”-type argument, I must admit I was somewhat like that growing up. In my high school in Southwest Side Chicago, 70s classic rock was probably the dominant musical form – this was in the early 90s. I had virtually no exposure to indie music and “alternative” music (before it became another word for “rock”) was truly a mystery to me and many of my peers.
Even in this behind-the-times environment, I was lagging, listening to 50s and 60s rock. However, I think for many people who are raised on this type of music, the transition to modern music takes time and baby steps. I truly thought all modern music was dreck at the time.
But I was simply being wilfully ignorant and close-minded, as I believe a lot of my classmates were.
Then somebody put “Alec Eiffel” by the Pixies on a mix tape. Not their most canonical work, but it suddenly clicked. I was intrigued and began to explore what I’ve missed for the last twenty years, and my ears and aesthetic sensibilities began to really understand the music. Some bands – like the Vaselines, the Jesus and Mary Chain, Sonic Youth or loads of indie rock – took awhile to get. The values emphasized in these styles of music are different than what I was used to. Nowadays, when I listen to, say, the Pumpkin’s Gish or The Best of the Vaselines, I cannot understand what I found so objectionable about them in the first place.
I’m not saying that “Hey Ya!” fits into this category of music, but what I’m saying is that if you’re rigid and stuck in a 70s aesthetic and judge what is good music by that value system, you’re going to be severely disappointed. I find this all the time in discussing hip-hop. People who rail against rap not being music are completely approaching the music from the wrong perspective.
There still is a LOT of great music out there. Some of it is on Top 40 radio, a lot of it isn’t and takes some digging to find. But not all pop is dreck.
But for some people, I think it takes a little easing into if Led Zeppelin (still one of my favorite bands) is their last musical reference point.
Truthfully, I’m rather jealous of everyone who says they can’t escape “Hey Ya.” Our local radio stations have lately gone to a all Nickelback, all the time format. A little OutKast every now and again would be a most welcome change. Or Justin Timberlake. Or anything. Jingle Cats. Just not Nickelback.
(For those who would suggest changing stations: Nickelback is currently played on both “classic” rock stations, the sole “alternative” rock station, and both top 40 stations. They’re probably on lite FM too, but I avoid that like the plague.)
Yes, Nickelback is shit.
so is your opinion…I’m guessing you’re a BLACK AND WHITE kinda guy. Personally I don’t like Nickelback, but I wouldn’t say they are shit…
Erm…what’s Nickelback? (Sorry, I’m pretty clueless about mainstream pop. I’ve never heard a song by Justin Timberlake–whoever he is, I have no idea what that “Who let the dogs out” song is, I think I’ve heard one song each by Christina and Britney…)
what? Bullshit. Bullshit! Nickelback are responsible for everything you listen to.
re reading what you said before Ilsa, how the fuck dare you claim to know what the hell I listen to and then make a wrong super generalized sweeping statement about it? Cite? linky link links? I dare you to find something that backs up your statement. Find out a little more about modern music in context, and then come back and say something like that.
Wow… :eek: How did you do it? Is there room in your cave for one more? 
I don’t listen to much radio, but I wasn’t able to escape “Who let the dogs out?”
Actually, I like to be aware of current music, whether I like it or not… and I like “Hey Ya” I’m not sure why. It’s something more than just being catchy… the video is so fun. The colors, the quircky dancing… but the other Outkast song didn’t do it for me. I’ll take “Hey Ya” over “Who let the Dogs Out?” anyday.
Off-topic: Has anyone else noticed that pop music seems to be on the up-swing? Of course there is some lingering crap out there, but for the most part Brittany Spears and the Backstreet Boys are over… their original fans are through puberty and they’re not getting new ones. I’ve found myself liking a lot of what they’re playing on the “Adult Comtemporary” stations. I like John Mayer, Coldplay, Norah Jones… maybe I’m just getting old and I’m losing touch with cool music… I don’t know, but this is certainly better than the DisturbedPuddleofMuddSystemofaDownSlipknotInsertOtherUnintelligibleScreamingIntotheMicrophoneSweatyandGrossLookingAngryBandNameHere movement Ugh. Then again, there’s always been good artists to filter through the crap… it just seems like it’s getting better… any opinions?
Now if we could just do something about reality TV… sigh
While I never was a huge Nickelback fan, I used to be able to hear a song of theirs on the radio without screaming and changing the station. That’s all changed now, because I can’t turn on the radio without the first words I hear being - “How the hell’d we wind up like this?” (first line to a Nickelback song that I cannot seem to avoid, for those who’ve managed to dodge it.) Meanwhile, I rarely if ever hear “Hey Ya,” which I love. There is a reason why I hate Nickelback and love OutKast. It’s the same reason other people in this thread may hate “Hey Ya” or “Who Let the Dogs Out” or whatever they hate. That reason is: radio is evil.
Don’t blame the songs. The songs are the symptoms. The radio is the disease.
Sorry for going all twitching conspiracy nut on you. You can go back to arguing about the Beatles or whatever you were doing.
Simple. I listen to KEXP (which seems to be getting more and more popular round the world now that they’re doing high-quality streaming audio), and I go out to clubs to hear live music at least once a week.
And the grammys have let you know you can officially suck theirs!
Album of the Year, BayBay, and “Hey Ya” is a whole lotta why.
The performance of it completely rocked.
Lionel Richie won album of the year too.
Totally! Well at least as hard as Lionel use to rock. Well maybe not that hard. But they certainly outrocked fellow Grammy winner Bob Newhart.
Not having heard this song till today, I’m stepping in to offer my view on this. It’s interesting that I should find this posted:
I would definitely agree with that sentiment…at least with respect to one of the songs.
I came in this thread to proclaim that “Hey Ya” is the “Hey Jude” of rap…a perfectly good 1 1/2 minute song sitting inside 7 minutes of crap.
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Cuz this is my united states of whateva!
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