True. But, “antidisestablishmentarianism” is a longer word. (But, then again, as I’ve sometimes been told in somewhat nervous and reassuring tones, length does not count. All that much. :o)
Yeh, but does Jesus dig chicks?
I understand.
Pure-D bullshit. The Supreme Being is an abstract philosophical concept, one you can find in the writings of such paleopagans as Plato and Aristotle (fools that they were); and one which has nothing whatsoever to do with the entirely culture-bound Lord God of Israel, bloody barbarous Bronze-Age desert-savage that He is, nor with any of His subsequent and even more bloody and barbarous and savage manifestations and expressions in Christianity and in Islam. Any and all arguments in natural theology go strictly and only to the former, not to the latter. E.g., you can’t use the Ontological Argument nor the Cosmological Argument nor the Teleological Argument to prove that Jesus died for our sins, nor that Mohammed is God’s prophet, nor that meat should not be eaten on Fridays nor pork at any time, nor that you can pray to God with any hope of attention or response. Indeed, Aristotle’s God (and Spinoza’s) is a being so complete-in-Himself that He is not omniscient but rather nescient – He perceives nothing outside Himself at all, nor need nor should, and He does not hear your prayers, nor need nor should. Really, philosophy and religion have very little to say to each other.
“Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates? Idiots.”
(Actually, I agree… I had a hell of a time in Philosophy 101, trying to get through The Republic. Hideous book. “Oh, let’s base our society of philosophic truths…and fables we make up to be told to hoi polloi to fool them into following us philosopher kings…” What a goddamned creepy patronizing and exploitive system! Ick!)
That’s nice…but it is not, and cannot, be the only view to be considered. Those you converse with are neither empty cups to be filled with your knowledge nor are they sponges there for the purpose of soaking up your views and your views only-they are people of various cultures, ages and life experiences, no better or worse than you, and to assume that they will of course take you at your word and accept what you say without question even if if contradicts what they already have grown to believe is nothing but arrogance born of ignorance. In life, and especially in this forum, you will be questioned if you make statements of fact that contradict common knowledge-viewing such questions as insults will not get you far.
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According to Buddhism, “a subjective consciousness at the core of existence” neither rewards or punishes us. If gods exist, they cannot help us, according to this view.
It was my understanding that St. Paul attempted to meld Judaic and Greek influences, such that you exaggerate. Or are you saying he had no substantive Greek influences? (Incidentally, that’s all I got: I can’t substantiate those claims. And yeah, even if you concede an argument from First Cause, I can’t see how, say, transubstantiation follows.)
Man can only go as far as he has gone, and then no further; and he only got that far because of God. People in this form may question me all they like, be as diverse as they are and be filled with as much knowledge as they can possess, I have never claimed to be better or worse than anyone here, but I have made known what I believe and I stand absolutely by it; and am not ashamed of it. I , for one, will never give the power of God and the real origin of our lives, over to some manipulated scientific theory, nor argue for humans being continuous with the idiot hierarchy of speechless apes. I don’t mind being questioned , I am against the use of cursing in the questioning, and won’t do that myself, I consider that a weakening of the human language, but I see its allowed here.
When statements concerning God are considered to be a contradiction of common knowledge, then how far has that knowledge really advanced, when they want to leave the truth of what is, behind; and go about to establish their own guidelines as the truth. That is exactly how the strange doctrine of eternal hell doctrine got here; men decided to go off and think for themselves, which is fine for a while, but history shows us just what that eventually leads to; man will make himself god; make his own rules, and think that he makes his own way. I know I stick out here like a sore thumb, I have walked that path and crowd before; no matter, I hold no interest in being with the majority; I walk alone and ever alone. But I agree with Jeremiah 10:23, " I know, O Lord, that a man’s way is not in himself; nor is it in a man who walks to direct his steps."
But its our nature, from the time we were babies, to walk on our own. To dictate terms , and abuse any and everything we like, including the human language. But I have decided, no matter what life has to offer in its variety, to never trade it in for the God of our birth. And I will stand for that God, until I can stand no more. I think that much about him, and don;'t even know him.
Good, now if everyone wouldn’t be so concerned with ‘winning’ a debate, we could actually have some nice discussions.
And how did you get by that ‘truth that is’ ? From an early-iron age mythbook from some obscure little region in the east? While obvious facts are right in front of you?
Knowledge has advanced quite a bit from the knowledge they had some 2500 years ago.
Hang on, didn’t you say that you didn’t follow any religion but started thinking for yourself??
I think Atheists want facts, any thing can be believed, People used to believe the world was flat, that has been proven false. So there is a wide divide between fact and belief. Belief requires proof. fact is already been proven!
Do you realize you are arguing for the other side, you are a human, so that puts you and your beliefs in the same category. Also you have no proof for there being any God, even the one you believe is existing… strangely, you use the Christian Bible to make your point, but say you are not Christian, that makes no sense to me.
If you believe in the writers and translators of the Bible, then you are saying the Christian God is the one you believe in, just not thinking you are following Christian beliefs.
If your God exists and is a being, he would need a place to exist, before he could exist, so who created the place for him or it?
There is no such thing as a " Christian bible", that is popular deception, the bible is not owned by Christians and no group on earth holds any legal rights to it. Prove to me that it is " A Christian bible"; I am announcing to you that it is " A bible", and no group of people can lay ownership to it. Produce any legal papers that Christians have on it; produce to me any legal docuements that Christians have on the bible to support your claim that it belongs exclusively to them; I challange you to produce any evidence to back up you giving them exclusive ownership of it. And there is absolutely no such thing as " The Christian God", your using the same mentality and now your giving Christians ownership of God himself; God has NEVER endorsed Christianity, nor has Jesus; now prove to be that they own God.
He did. He created his place to exist in. And before he created that place to exist in, he existed outside of " Places to exist in", I think in a totally different dimension, which the bible calls, The Spirit world." He is in that world now, and I know little about it. So God is a dimensional being who creates his own homes.
FIrstly - the bible that you are reffeing to (old and new testemants) was put together by the early catholic church - and later ‘reformed’ (removed 7 books) by the ‘Protestant’ reformation - still a ‘Christian’ work.
So, while you might be trying to say that the ‘Bible’ is for ‘everyone’ - what you are using is still the ‘Christian’ bible - as opposed to the tora, the ‘tao te ching’. the Koran, etc.
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Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
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So - ‘Christian’ – means “Christ Like” - Chistianity is "s a monotheistic religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus Christ as presented in the New Testament. "
“Most Christians believe that Jesus is the Son of God, fully divine and fully human, and the savior of humanity prophesied in the Old Testament.”
So, your own bible refutes your ‘point’ - other than your apparent anger at the ‘religion’ of Christianity - many of your own posts contradict what you are saying.
There is proof that Humans wrote the Bible and made the claim that it is the word of God. The Bible both old and new Testaments were written by many humans and if you believe the words they wrote, your belief is in those humans or the people who kept their word alive!
I a sorry, but you make no sense to me at all, Of course you have the right to your thoughts but they are just that, your thoughts!
As a post script what isn’t in existence doesn’t exist. That would mean your God is nothing.
The concept of eternal hell suffering is troublesome and really a slur on God’s reputation. Its really an attempt by satan to plant a sinister doctrine of demons into a church and to get them to spread it as if it is the truth; and I think he has accomplished this attempt. Which reveals his awesome powers of deception.
I think its obvious that humans wrote the bible , and I would totally disagree with anyone who taught differently. And its a fact that 85% of the writers of the bible were not " Christians", and I could challange that the New Testament writers were not " Christians", with the exception of Paul, who MAY have accepted the " Roman created term."