The Terminator Vs Polar Bear

OK first the rule: Neither the Terminator (Cyberdyne Systems Model 101) or the Polar Bear (1300lb adult male) have any weapons.

Shit. I was supposed to put this in Cafe Society, wasn’t I? :smack:

You mean a fight between the Terminator and an ordinary polar bear? How can you even think this is a contest? I doubt the polar bear can harm the Terminator at all (it took a pipe-bomb wedged in its crotch to harm its endoskeleton, and even then it survived until put in an industrial steam press).

Didn’t somebody build a suit to resist a bear (dunno which species)?

As Priceguy said, hard to believe the bear could damage the metal.
Also the Terminator doesn’t feel pain.

Mind you, the bear would have to be named Sarah Connor…

That would be Troy Hurtubise.

Depends on the playing field. Terminator definitely has the edge in endurance, and probably strength as well. However, if the fight occurs in the polar bear’s native environment, I suspect that the polar bear wins by default, because Terminator can’t swim.

Terminator is also designed to infiltrate human encampments, which suggests that it may not be ideally suited for deployment in environments far outside the normal range of human survivability. For example, some metals such as steel become extremely brittle at subzero temperature. Recall that in the second Terminator movie, the T-800 used liquid nitrogen to shatter the T-1000; although the latter’s unique “liquid metal” composition allowed it to survive the attack, it seems that the T-800 considered exposure to extreme cold as a form of attack likely to disable a Terminator.

Even the Canadian Arctic isn’t quite as cold as liquid nitrogen, and in any event that was a weakness unique to the liquid T-800 model, not the conventionally mechanical 101 model.

There’s no way in hell the polar bear doesn’t lose; polar bears are unbelievably strong, but certainly not as strong as industrial presses and explosives. The bear would likely run away, actually, once it realized it was losing.

Didn’t somebody build a suit to resist a bear (dunno which species)?

I think that was Homer Simpson :dubious:

Terminator. But not quickly.

The bear has reach. It could toss the Terminator around like a ragdoll. Unfortuantely for him, that’s not enough to do any real damage (unless he gets very very lucky and dislodges a critical connection by freak chance). The Tereminator keeps on coming until the bear collapses from exhaustion.

Alternately: The bear takes to the water. The Terminator sinks to the bottom, where he loses track of the bear, and eventually succumbs to cold, pressure, and water damage. The bear drowns trying to find the next ice floe. Global warming wins!

We don’t know that the Terminator doesn’t have the capacity to float (inflatable air bladders or something), but even failing that it could just follow the bear around; sooner or later it has to rest. The Terminator doesn’t. It can track it with IR (should be easy in the Arctic) and just keep walking, along the ocean floor if necessary, until the bear stops running.

It’s my understanding that modern-day mechanical equipment, such as used in the oil industry, has to be specially designed for use in arctic climes. “The properties of all materials are also markedly affected by temperature changes. At arctic temperatures, for example, steel becomes very brittle and breaks easily […]”, according to the article on “Temperature” at MSN Encarta, for whatever that’s worth. Since Terminators are only intended to operate in human-habitable areas, there’s no reason to assume that its chassis would be specially manufactured to resist cold fracture. When the polar bear’s enormous strength and weight is factored in, I think it’s entirely possible that such a fight might result in the Terminator’s limbs being snapped off in short order, leaving a quadruple-amputee android torso sitting, Black Knight-like, on the arctic tundra: “Oh I see; running away, eh? Just remember, I’ll be back! I’ll be back to bite your kneecaps off!”

Moderator’s Note: Moving to Cafe Society.

The first Terminator was casually able to rip out Bill Paxton’s heart (Paxton later sold it, along with his soul, to appear in Big Love). How much tougher is a polar bear’s hide? Would one solid hit at close range bring the fight to an abrupt end, as the polar bear succumbs to massive internal injuries?

If you can rip out Bill Paxton’s heart, you can also crush a polar bear’s skull with one punch.

I’m not so sure on this point: the bear’s coat is a very effective insulator.

I guess we need to determine a standard. What is the tensile strength of a polar bear’s skull, expressed in BPH, or Bill Paxton Hearts?

The heart is easy, it’s the ribcage that’s a bitch. I don’t think a polar bear’s skull exceeds 2 BPRs, so if the Terminator could “casually” put its hand through Bill Paxton’s ribs, it should be able to crush a polar bear’s skull.

Now, I can’t quite picture the sequence in my head (I’ll have to rewatch the movie), but are we sure it actually went through the ribcage? If it reached the heart through the belly, it’s a lot easier.

Effective enough that you couldn’t pick up the bear’s heat signature in subzero temperatures?

Careful, we’re talking Bill Paxton Hearts, not Bill Paxton Rectums. Applying one’s fist in that manner requires an entirely different set of equations.

Bill Paxton Spine units may be of some small relevance, insofar as a Predator was able to express this amount of force in Predator 2.

By, BPRs, I meant Bill Paxton Ribcages. While I profess a lamentable lack of personal experience on the subject, I imagine the heart itself would not put up much resistance against a dedicated chest-into-reacher.