The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making Part Deux (Part 1)

It shields websites from liability for what users post.

He will vacate the White House in two weeks. TWO WEEKS people! Write that down. Two weeks.

Unless you’re DiaperDon who can and does call everyone names. National security? You, Trump can move to the front of the line for your time in court.

December 11th?

No, no. You misunderstand. It’s two weeks from whatever day it currently is. Get it? And may I remind everyone that he NEVER EVER follows through and in fact, two weeks never comes. <shrug> Maybe it will this time.

Let’s forget about tomorrow two weeks
Let’s forget about tomorrow two weeks
Let’s forget about tomorrow two weeks for tomorrow two weeks never comes
Domani, forget domani …

Fine with me.

TRUMP INDICTED BY NEW YORK STATE AG
TRUMP ORDERED TO PROVIDE DNA SAMPLE
TRUMP FIRES LAWYERS, BEGINS “PRO SE” DEFENSE
TRUMP CONVICTED ON ALL COUNTS
TRUMP BEGINS PRISON SENTENCE

Please, please. I can see Fox, all their talking heads, OAN, Rush, and the rest of the white-wing cult clutching their hearts and gasping for breath - “NO, No, no, nooooooooooo!”

Somebody said, “The Clusterfuck will never be over,” and I have to concur.

…This isn’t over, folks. While the decision to begin the transition process does amount to an implicit concession by the president, Trump hasn’t yet explicitly acknowledged his loss—and there are indications he might never do so. As I write, in fact, the president is continuing to insist that the “2020 Election Hoax” will “go down as the most corrupt election in American political history,” that he will continue to press this case, and that he “will never concede to fake ballots & ‘Dominion.’”

Trump’s attack on the election wasn’t and isn’t a sideshow. As far as American democracy is concerned, this is the main show. A democracy at grave risk one day cannot be pronounced healthy the next. The precedents Trump has set, the doubts he has sown, and the claims he has made will linger. Restoring faith in the democratic process will take time and effort—and a favorable result is by no means guaranteed.

As I wrote during the 2016 campaign, when Trump was threatening to not accept a loss to Hillary Clinton, democracy depends on the consent of the losers. The capacity of candidates to lose gracefully—or, more specifically, to consent to the winning candidates’ right to govern, and to restrain themselves from stirring up grievances among their supporters—is at the core of democracy.

As the authors of Losers’ Consent , a 2005 survey of old and new democracies around the world, pointed out, it’s typical for the losers of an election to be dissatisfied with the results of the race and the democratic process that produced them. …

At the moment they might be most tempted to subvert democratic institutions, the losers must instead recognize as legitimate a process that just yielded a bad outcome for them. Since winners have much more of an incentive to continue playing the democratic game than losers do, “losers are the crucial veto players of democratic governance,” the authors wrote.

When I spoke with him ahead of the Trump administration authorizing the transition, Shaun Bowler, one of the co-authors of Losers’ Consent and a political scientist at UC Riverside, told me that he assessed Trump’s refusal to concede as not mere noise but also signal. When a football team loses the Super Bowl, he noted, the defeated players don’t rough up the referees and denounce them and the opposing team as crooked. They don’t seize the cameras as a victorious player declares, “I’m going to Disney World!” and yell, “No, you’re going down!”

“If you don’t [have] respect for the rules of the game, you don’t play that game anymore,” he explained.

Bowler said it was important to avoid overstating the danger that Trump’s refusal to acknowledge defeat poses to the U.S. political system. But he appended a big caveat to that note of reassurance: There’s no direct precedent in modern American history, or even among other democracies, for what’s happening now in the United States.

My bold.

This fat lady bastard is never gonna sing, and, thank og, eventually he will be gone. But the damage is done. And it will last.

Bowler said his concerns extend beyond Trump to the many (though not all) Republican leaders who have supported his unsubstantiated attacks on the integrity of the election. (Republican calls for Trump to concede have grown louder in recent days as states have certified election results.) There might be rational short-term political reasons for why they’re doing so, he allowed, “but there’s a longer-term consequence, which is that they’re standing by while someone denies the legitimacy of the electoral process and they’re saying, [to] varying degrees, ‘Yes, that’s right.’”

Not how that works. Fox, Limbaugh, etc. are responsible for their content. They are not responsible for what others may post in the comments section.

Just being paranoid but could this be the turdnugget cherry on top of the steaming stream of shit that is this clusterfuck that Trump wants to leave the rest of us to deal with?

So, if Trump does this, the first thing that Twitter does is ban his account. Why would they take any chances for being liable for what the idiot says?

The last thing Trump thinks about is long-term(2 minutes ahead) consequences.

Correction: 2 seconds.

It’s far more likely to be an Israeli operation. They’ve done this sort of thing before, and they have a vested interest in keeping nuclear development in their neighboring (and mostly hostile) states in chaos.

Fair point , and it looks like the article has been updated with more info that supports that.
I’ll just go back to twitching in the corner.

But if section 230 were terminated, they would become responsible for the comments section, wouldn’t they?

That’s my understanding.

That is not being paranoid, history shows that Republicans do like to leave flaming bags of poo for the incoming Democratic administrations. Like The Bay of Pigs, started by Eisenhower and the Somalia intervention started by Bush senior on their last years before leaving office.

And if section 230 is terminated, Twitch would be responsible for what you do in the corner!

Israel is probably in an awkward situation if it were them.

That is the sort of thing that would generally be shared with our intelligence agencies, to give us a heads up. But they also know that anything shared with our intelligence agencies is potentially compromised by the current oval office occupant.

Whether he whispers the detail of the op in Putin’s ear, or tweets them out for the world, foreign intelligence is no longer safe in the hands of the US.

Will he continue to get intelligence briefings once he is out of office? I think that that is standard, but we’ve never had a president who was such a security risk before.