Now that’s not true. I’m sure Trump believes some criminals are Mexicans or Muslims.
Part One. Okay, this is [del]probably[/del] a really stupid question, but given that thump has the attention span of a goldfish (apologies to hard-working goldfish) and can’t see beyond the end of his nose, what do y’all think HE thinks will be the general reaction of the country* if/when he declares a national emergency so he can build his wall?
**The country–> Republicans in Congress, Democrats, MAGAbots, federal employees who are affected by the shutdown random people walking around. *
Part Two. If he declares a state of national emergency so he can build the wall, what effect would that have on the shutdown and when? Would Turtleface McTurtle immediately tell – who exactly? – to bring a bill to open the gummint? Don’t bills originate in the House? The Dems control the House. What if Chuck and Nancy refuse to play? I mean, how would that work?
I’ll take my answer off the air. I need to lie down.
Or Democrats. Or reporters.
How secure is a concrete wall? Pretty sure the same thing can be done on steel slats.
Meant to add: those are ordinary rocks held on with PC-7 epoxy, $22.00 a pound at Home Despot.
Probably about the same reaction as most of them have to him shutting down the government, and that is not much. Despite all the debate, for most people, for most things, the Federal government has almost no impact on their lives. The Federal government has a greater amount of impact on your average Kurd or Ukrainian than it does on your average Wisconsin.
I think the only service that the feds perform which might affect most people is the mail, and I’m not sure how much it will bother people if they stop receiving bills and spam in their mailbox for a few weeks.
The shutdown, to most people, is just part of a story. It’s like the WWE and someone doing something dramatic. Maybe they decide that it’s a heroic move, maybe they decide that it’s a heel move, but either way it’s just drama. It’s something entertaining, if that’s what you’re into. The prospect that the government of the US will become like that of Honduras, and people will start being rounded up and murdered for disagreeing with El Presidente is not something that people consider - and particularly not when that’s something that could only ever occur after a more significant plunge than Trump has accomplished, over a few more presidents. We’re a couple of decades from that point (I believe) not a couple of months. But most people wouldn’t recognize that that’s the direction the arrow is pointed, nor would they really understand the real world implications or fear it.
If Trump declares a National Emergency, it might finally convince the Republican party to do something beyond sit back and hope that Mueller does something one day. But it’s also possible that they’ve debated the subject internally and decided that there’s nothing wrong with a single party state if they have a president willing to take us there.
Unfortunately, most people who are worried are either so partisan that they were worried just by having GW Bush reading terrorist’s emails, let alone trusting them to issue an opinion about where Trump is leading the country, or a tiny majority of people with a knowledge of history and South America who are left to contend with a general public who doesn’t care and a major party who have decided to bury their heads in the sand so long as it means no taxes and opposition to abortion.
Seriously? Heck, he’ll just do what’s he’s been doing all along: making up the reaction. He says people who are working without pay want to be doing so and he also said that previous presidents support him. The dude is immune to reality. Sadly reality is not immune to him.
Well, when they don’t get their tax refund, they might notice that.
Hey, even Trump would draw the line at using that kind of language about criminals.
The House has already passed bills to reopen the government. All Yertle needs to do is allow a vote on them, and send it to Old Yellowstain.
Initial reports stated that refunds would not be paid. But I’m sure that somebody realized that this would cause big repercussions, so suddenly they found money and workers to process tax returns.
IRS confirms tax season will start Jan. 28, despite government shutdown
Estimated taxes are due next week. Hope they have enough staff slaving away to properly credit the right accounts.
Ooh, but maybe they won’t have enough people to do any audits!
Well, not big audits. Lots of money, gets complicated/
I am already directly affected by the shutdown. I have had a few clients cancel, as they are furloughed, and don’t know if they will be getting a paycheck anytime soon.
Businesses in Washington D.C. are probably much more affected, I imagine.
Anyone that wanted to go to a national park, or smithsonian or anything like that is affected.
We will all be affected here soon, if the IRS isn’t up when we start sending in tax returns. (I usually do mine before the end of January, will the IRS be up, and cleared of it’s backlog?)
Speaking of Wisconsin, the make and drink beer there right? I heard a story on NPR that the agency that is responsible for approving labeling for beer is shut down. No one can come out with a new beer until the govt re-opens.
We may all be affected soon, with the FDA no longer providing any oversight or investigation into our food supply. The next e.coli outbreak may not get tracked to its source, we may not even know of an outbreak, as it is the FDA that compiles hospital reports.
The fed may not have a noticeable affect on our day to day lives, and more than the road does. The fed is infraustruce that allows us to go about our day, not thinking about that infrastructure. I think we will be thinking about it a bit more when we see the things that we are missing.
My two proposals for ending the stalemate, given to Chuck & Nancy free of charge.
As i mentioned up thread, call Trump’s bluff on the “national emergency”. Fund the government minus the wall, while he pursues a national emergency declaration and subsequent re-directing of funds and military personnel. (Which will be immediately tied up in court.)
“Binding arbitration”. Create a non-partisan panel of border security professionals, ask them to propose how they would spend $5.7B, and promise to implement their recommendation whatever it is.
I like this. I’ll let my congresscriters know — seriously.
My point is, would that likely be McConnell’s reaction to thump declaring a state of national emergency? I mean, seriously? I don’t see that happening. Succumb to *anything *the Dems come up with?? After 10 years of giving them the finger? Don’t see it.
I CAN see McConnell asking the Pubs in the House to come up with their OWN bill to reopen the gummint and persuading the Dems to pass it on to him (which, being decent people they would probably do). Then the Pubs can say, “The Dems couldn’t get the gov’t open again but WE did!! Yay, us!!”
McConnell would not bring a Democratic bill to the Senate if it saved his own mother’s life (assuming he had a mother).
But my real question: I would like someone to speculatively connect (1) the shutdown, *either *end of or continuation of, and (2) thump declaring a national state of emergency. How would these two play off against each other.
Kansas City Star had a piece on that this morning. A lot of craft breweries here.
Apparently, it only affects bottles/cans - they can still sell kegs,or at least sell it on tap in their tasting rooms - it didn’t mention if they can sell kegs to bars, but I’d imagine they can.
My guess: Trump declares his national emergency, which immediately gets tied up in court. That gives him a “win” on the wall. Mitch gets the Senate to pass a Republican-written bill that has some differences from the House bill. That gives him a “win” for reopening the government, because either the House Dems cave on the differences or the shutdown goes on. They won’t be big differences, just ones Mitch can brag/lie about. Everybody goes back to work, the wall stays unbuilt, and the House starts taking the Administration apart, brick by brick. Trump then flails about for another distraction.