The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making

And in the “Trump isn’t a racist piece of dogshit” department, no Harriet Tubman on the $20 after all.

For the second time in a week, a judge has ruled in favor of Congress over Trump. First, it was about the handing over of documents from Trump’s accountants, Mazars USA. Now a judge has ruled that Trump can’t block the subpoenas issued by Congress to Deutsche Bank and Capital One for documents. The Deutsche Bank trove could prove highly significant.

“Mnuchin said that the design process has been delayed, and no new imagery will be unveiled until 2028.”

Delayed for EIGHT YEARS? To design a banknote? I’m sorry, but that’s bullshit.
In Canada:
November 2013 - Historian and author Merna Forster launched a petition that asked the central bank to recognize the achievements of women by placing noted Canadians on bank notes.

November 2014 - The petition has garnered more than 50,000 signatures.

March - April 2016 - nominations for notable women leads to a long list of 461 Iconic Canadian Women.

August 2016 - shortlist down to 12 names
December 2016 - Noted Canadian civil rights defender Viola Desmond chosen to be on the new $10 banknote. Design process begins

November 2018 - Viola Desmond $10 note enters circulation.

April 2019 - Canada’s Viola Desmond banknote wins international banknote of the year design.

SIX YEARS from petition to international award.

And with the curtains closed so that no one could see the press being ushered to the Rose Garden BEFORE Trump staged his walk-out?

3 Minutes: Trump Meeting With Democrats Goes Bust In A Flash | HuffPost Latest News

Trump may have miscalculated with this little stunt; it’s being widely ridiculed.

This, 100%. And we are seeing results:

Add to this the revelation of the IRS memo that completely dismisses the Trump/Mnuchin argument that they needn’t turn over Trump’s tax returns:

IRS Says It’s Required to Turn Over Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress – Mother Jones

Add to this the fact that the House is continuing to hold hearings and generate legislation on a variety of topics Americans prioritize over impeachment: pharmaceutical prices and other health care issues, housing, homeland security, environmental impacts, etc.

Yes, many who pay attention to politics are wanting Dramatic Action Now. But action is occurring now—subpoenas are being issued and courts are starting to reject the White House stonewalling efforts.

Impeachment should remain on the table. But the objective is to GET RID OF TRUMP. That—not feelings of impatience or desire for flashy moves, as Great Antibob put it so well—has to remain paramount.

galen ubal—asahi gave several answers to your posts that pretty much covered what I would have written. I think many arguing about impeachment are arguing past each other, but I’m still putting together what I hope will be a fair look at that premise. I’ll post it before long.

You gotta give it to Nancy Pelosi: nobody can needle Trump the way she can. She is a goddess.

Not only does she make Trump look like a complete whiny ass man baby, but chucking a potential bipartisan effort on infrastructure that could employ a lot of workers isn’t really good optics for the president.

Oh, yes indeed.

The Latest: Pelosi says Trump 'took a pass' | AP News

“Maybe it was a lack of confidence on his part…”----NOTHING is calculated to get under his skin more than that.

I missed this earlier, but largely agree with it.

In fact the point I was trying to make earlier in response to JohnT (admittedly, I may not have been so clear) was that it’s not like there hasn’t been congressional oversight. There are currently multiple investigations by several committees. That’s not a ‘do nothing’ approach. The subpoenas are not meaningless. Every time they ask Trump for documents, it forces a response. Every time he responds by refusing to hand over documents and stonewalling, he looks bad.

The problem that we have, and I think this is what’s frustrating to JohnT, to myself, and to everyone else, is that the Dems actually are doing a lot to try to bring the facts to light. Where I may disagree is that, right now, I don’t think the majority of the public cares. The American public just doesn’t like politics. They assume that the truth about Trump is probably bad but they don’t know all of the dirt and, to some extent, they probably don’t want to know – right now.

But there will come a time when they will care more than they do now, and I think that when that moment comes, when the public finally realizes that Trump’s America is hurting them, I think it’ll be important to have the groundwork laid for his impeachment and removal from office, if voters don’t remove him first next November, that is. So I have no problem whatsoever with hearings, subpoenas, lawsuits, investigations, and whatever else congress needs to do to assert oversight.

I just don’t see any need to jump the gun by actually calling it “impeachment” and having “impeachment” proceedings. That might not seem like a great leap from what we’re already doing but, symbolically, I think it’s pretty damn big. Reversing an election isn’t small potatoes. It’s far better and more powerful to defeat him at the ballot box. At minimum, if we’re going to reverse an election, it needs to be evident to not just democrats but a lot of Republicans that Trump’s bullshit isn’t going to sell anymore. We’re not there yet. I don’t think we’re even that close.

I missed that, but holy crap does she have him pegged.

“Maybe it was a lack of confidence on his part” – ROFLMAO.

Friggin epic insult!

How does someone who has no business handling sharp objects get to be a brain surgeon?

And let’s not forget her recent zinging of Bill Barr. Barr chuckled in his Fox News interview when recounting his “handcuffs” comment to Pelosi, but claimed not to have heard her response. :rolleyes:

That was marvelous, but I laughed hardest today at Adam Schiff’s characterization of Bill Barr. He said, “I think Bill Barr has all the duplicity of Rudy Giuliani without all the good looks and general likability of Rudy Guliani.”

My laughter scared the dog. :smiley:

After all, you can pull a radish into the sunshine.

The Dems need to show that they’ve taken every possible measure to gain cooperation. Then it will go to the Supreme Court, which could very well side with Barr and his iDJiT depending on Roberts. If there’s a single box unchecked, the court will have a perfect excuse to say, “tsk, tsk, this isn’t a good-faith effort, try again.” If SCOTUS then basically ratifies the unitary executive theory, impeachment will begin. It sucks that we have to climb this greasy ladder, but nothing else stands a chance of exposing McConnell and his minions as the Orange-Toad-Lickers they are.

And frankly, if the Dems don’t then sweep it in 2020, I will give up on the nation I loved.

But most of all, let’s not forget that she delivered Trump’s ass to him during the shutdown. She wounded him. Not mortally as it would turn out, but she exposed Trump’s vulnerability. You beat Trump by letting Trump beat himself. Call it, political aikido. She’s the sensei. I think Pelosi is one of the few people who really understands the dynamics. She might not have the idealism, the passion, the intensity, the authenticity, or whatever, but she understands power. What people don’t understand about Trump is that Trump understands power. Pelosi understands it as well, in a way that few do. She is, in my view, Trump’s most dangerous opponent.

Guess we run in different crowds. I don’t know anyone that is not incensed at what is going on. I don’t hang with Trump supporters, but I suspect SOME of them are getting a clue but are not willing to not back their racist dog. And some are too embarrassed to admit they backed this crook and are hoping that somehow, this will be turned around and they can crow about what a great President he is.

They. Are. Wrong.

The real issue is that politics in the USA has become sport.
Instead of being interested in the difficult and often tedious business of the just and ethical governance of the nation, far too many have chosen the easy entertainment of cheering their “team” to victory.

I want to trust Pelosi. (I don’t trust Schumer.) And not much makes me happier when she gets off a good zinger. But I don’t know if she’s doing the right thing here. Or for the right reasons.

I’m not saying IMPEACHMENT STARTS TOMORROW OR I VOTE GOP IN 2020, but… I don’t know if the Dems fully appreciate that they’re in charge in the House based on a massive wave of enthusiasm. If it appears they’re being conservative and playing towards the swing and moderate voters, they’re going to lose the more strident wing. Now, we’re not going to vote R, but we just might not vote at all. If it’s hard and inconvenient, why would someone who felt the Dems aren’t doing their best go through all the effort? (Not me personally. I vote every time. Just imagining the average lefty.)

So. Is Pelosi just slow playing this? I love a good slow play in poker. I love watching a perfect trap in the WSOP. I love putting someone on tilt when I do it. Is she just giving him room to hang himself? Waiting to time it better for 2020? I can give her the benefit of the doubt but outside of her zingers and a few individual Reps, it feels like the House line is “Well, that’s just too bad that that happened.” It doesn’t feel like strategy but inertia.

I can be patient. But I can’t abide cowardice and electoral caution. I know he won’t be convicted in the Senate, but there could be at least hearings, Impeachment or not, in the House. I know some people are ducking and some are scheduled for June and some people are working things out, but it feels chaotic and haphazard. I need to see that they’re taking this seriously and not afraid of swinging and missing.

Why not just read the constitution and understand that Pelosi is the speaker of one chamber of congress and can’t accomplish shit without senate control? Is that so hard?

You wanna know why Republicans rule? It’s because they and their voters, despite being a minority in terms of the popularity of their ideas, are obsessed with voting and power and control. They create non-profits for the sole purpose of taking control of every branch of government at every level. Progressives show up once every few years, vote, and either bitch about their guy losing and vow never to vote again or celebrate the night their candidate wins and then go back to living life and forgetting politics. That’s not how power works. You have to be obsessed with having it, and using it against your enemies.

“Interesting: @KatieHill4CA, who’s in a frontline swing district just told me calls to her office have flipped from being 2 to 1 against impeachment to being 3 or 4 to 1 for.”

Katie Hill is the Rep for CA25.