(my bolding)
Funny. The Republicans in Congress are doing everything they can to insure that there are no amendments to the bill.
On another topic:
The Chinese government has granted the Trump Corporation the right to using the Trump brand on 38 items, including escort services and massage parlors.
Yeah, as I said before, with the Freedom Caucus conservatives lined up against the plan, as well as pushback from essentially every prominent conservative healthcare expert (as well as the grassroots conservatives and the conservative websites), there’s no way the bill is going to pass in it’s current form.
It’s another entitlement, keeps some taxes for a year, it keeps the Cadillac tax forever, and it keeps the big-government Medicaid expansion until 2020, which is a horrible idea.
Patience will prove me right, my friend.
I can see where your enthusiastic support for Trump comes from, then, seeing as how he has declared global warming to be a fraud and has voiced his support for torture in no uncertain terms. Anyway, you didn’t answer my question: since when were supporting science and opposing torture ultraliberal leftist positions?
So naturally you support a party that claims global warming is a fraud and wants to stop cleaning up dirty lakes and toxic waste dumps and the like. Makes perfect sense. Heil Trump.
The Republican Party doesn’t claim global warming is a fraud. That’s bullshit. They just oppose some of the more alarmist claims about it that turned out to be false. The GOP doesn’t oppose cleaning up dirty lakes and toxic waste dumps. Remember the Michigan Flint water crisis? That was the fault of an Obama-administration EPA, a bunch of in competent second-raters.
For example, the ultra-liberal John Kerry testified before Congress that by the summer of 2013, the Arctic would be completely free of sea ice because of climate change. He was completely, entirely totally wrong, my friend.
It is an ultraliberal leftist thing to do to incorrectly cast all your opponents as climate deniers for not supporting high carbon taxes, draconian coal regulations, etc.–a straw man used to demonize the Right by liberals.
From your shiny new President, who heads the Republican party:
Those are from Snopes if you feel the need to check them out for yourself. Then there’s James Inhofe; this is from a radio interview from five years ago (five years ago today, in fact):
The current head of the EPA is no friend to facts either, but I’m not keen on reading what Republicans have to say on the matter any more and I don’t think it would change your mind anyway.
Now: since when were supporting science and opposing torture “ultraliberal leftist positions” as you put it?
Your choice of terminology belies your lack of perspective. Nobody has “not gotten over the fact that Trump is president”. Quite a lot of people are unhappy that he is in such an important office for reasons Trump makes quite clear on a daily basis.
Care to provide a cite for this assertion regarding Obama’s rules causing loss of jobs. To date, Trump has done nothing to prevent the loss of any jobs. He has, on the other hand, created jobs for his buds.
And you think this is a good policy why? Note that I do not think I have ever made my personal position on abortion public on this board as I am a male and thus do not have the ability to become pregnant. The United States Supreme Court, on the other hand, has made it clear that abortion is a women’s right.
Why should he do something that his nominator (Trump) has zero intention of doing, to wit, upholding the constitution? Trump urinates (that’s a metaphor) on the document daily.
You’re talking about early reactions after the election win? Those don’t really count for much, do they? After all, what’s more important is the fiscal policy implemented and who gets appointed to what positions in the cabinet and how they do.
Yeah, and he’s still pissing on law when he’s supposedly “enforcing law”. Or did you forget the way he’s ordering fed agents to separate minor children from their mothers? By the way, really good “family values”, there, huh?
Where?
What about the damage to the rest of the environment? Just asking, mind you.
How reliable are Trump’s administration’s reports?
Do tell.
Okay, let me make something clear: I am not your friend. I am your total fucking stranger. As for Kerry, I’m not sure what Kerry’s quoting a worst-case scenario has to do with what Republicans believe and you claim they don’t.
He. Was. Joking.
I never said that opposing torture and supporting science was an ultraliberal leftist position, as people of all political stripes hold those views.
What I did say, though, was that this forum is filled with ultraliberal leftists, who support a flood of regulations which ultimately amount to despotic intrusions by the federal government over every brook, creek, cattle tank, mud puddle, slough, or damp spot in every landowner’s backyard.
Indeed, many of these Draconian regulations, if passed, would turn the Rust Belt into little more than a theme park.
No. He. Wasn’t.
No they don’t. You don’t either. Your support of Trump makes this clear.
What you said was that those who oppose Trump, or as you mistakenly put it can’t get over his being president, were ultraliberal leftists. Lots of opposition to Trump is based on his support of torture and his opposition to science. Therefore these, by your lights, are ultraliberal leftist positions. Since when were they so?
1.) I’m not going to repeat myself, I’ve already made clear my belief in climate change, and that I am skeptical of carbon tax regulations which may help the environment but is more than ruined by the thousands of fossil fuel industry worker jobs lost.
2.You made the fallacy of connecting two things to produce a statement that I did not in fact, say. I will say again: I don’t believe support of science and opposition to torture is an ultraliberal leftist position, it is a reasonable, humanitarian position which I share.
I sure can. The National Mining Association released a reputable report showing that over 70,000 jobs would have been lost by the coal-stream regulation rule passed by Obama, had it not been repealed by President Trump and the Republican Congress. See this:http://nma.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Fact-Sheet-SPR.pdf
You’ve made clear your belief that the Republican party shares your belief in climate change. When faced with evidence to the contrary you come up with “But he didn’t meeeean it, mom!” Lack of repetition is welcome.
Your support of the Republican party indicates otherwise. It is a reasonable, humanitarian position which you oppose. Otherwise you wouldn’t be happy with a pro-torture president gutting the EPA and the NOAA and making sure no organization is churning out facts that contradict the Republican Party’s claims and goals.
Trump is not pro-torture, he abandoned his support of waterboarding long ago, after a thoughtful talk with Mr. Mattis at Trump Tower.
Trump is pro-torture. You can tell by the way he said he wanted to have people tortured. Oh, and their families put to death, too. Let us not forget that. Convincing him it’s not politically expedient does not mean he doesn’t support it.
Next you’ll be telling me that he’s not a creep because he only said he WOULD date his daughter (the one he went along with being called “a piece of ass”, not the other one who wouldn’t let him kiss her cheek at the debate) but didn’t actually date her.
I understand and respect your point of view, Tooth, even though I disagree with it as a conservative, and Because Trump could have reinstated water boarding or lobbied very hard to if he really wanted to. He didn’t. Despite our political differviews McGee Tooth, I want to thank you for this discussion; it is health and good to have a reasoned, political debate with someone of opposing views every once and a while.
President Trump Congratulates Exxon Mobil for Job-Creating Investment Program.
And who is our new Secretary Of State? Oh yeah…
National Mining Association?
That’s not a reputable report. This is a reputable report.
You know how unbiased the National Mining Association is, as do we all.
You know, a quick Google search of “is coal a dying industry” brings up, among the first half dozen results:
“The coal industry is dying, and it isn’t coming back” by outsidethebeltway.com
“Don’t blame renewable energy for dying US coal industry” from forbes.com
“Coal isn’t dying because there’s a war on it” from bloomberg.com
“The coal industry isn’t coming back” from nytimes.com
“Coal industry is dying, no matter what a President Trump might do” from newsweek.com
And, on a personal level, I live in Kentucky. I’ve spent the last 8 years on an ambulance, at times having to interact with coal miners, either at those mines, or as a result of the years that they spent having their health affected by those conditions. I don’t claim to speak for all of them, or to be an expert on coal mining because of that, but it allowed me to see glimpses into the industry, and the people who made their living as a result of coal mining. My impression from talking to the people that I interacted with is that they seem to be aware that it’s a dying industry (to quote Huey Lewis, “the old boy may be barely breathing”), and it seems that they knew this before the Obama administration.
I don’t claim to be an expert, though. That’s just my observations from very limited interactions with miners.
There’s no reasoned debate. One guy is showing you that you are wrong. You’re trying to pretend politics allows you to have alternative facts.
You’re even pretending you came here to debate, when you clearly started out attacking ultraliberals with bullshit about us not accepting Trump is president.
He’s president. He’s also evil. You guys saw an obviously, cartoonishly evil man and voted for him. He’s now ineptly fucking shit up. He still a whiny toddler who can’t handle the job, and has to farm it out to other people, two of whom are white supremacists.
We have a greater chance of having a nuclear war than ever in my lifetime, because the man is mentally unstable, with a huge narcissism and temper problems.
Trump has the lowest approval ratings ever, and has fucked up nearly everything he’s tried to do so far. People are already talking of Nixon, with the Russia investigation.
And, well, he’s an asshole and an awful human being who enjoys hurting other people. Hence beefing up our military, when he’s supposed to be US first, and pulling people out.
He is as psychopath, and people are increasingly realizing that. He’s not enacting any sort of conservative agenda. No previous Republican president has done what he did.
And, yeah, you’re probably a troll and I’m playing into it, but I’m pissed at Trump again, and you decided to defend that awful shitstain, and I needed the outlet.