Don’t forget Triangle Man. After all, he beat Particle Man, which must be quite a feat, since Particle Man is just a particle and would be pretty hard to find, let alone beat. He also beat Person Man, possibly the most pathetic comic book hero ever:
erislover: The Silver Surfer can channel the Power Cosmic into energy blasts of unbelievable force. It also gives him the ability to exist in any type of atmosphere, or lack of atmosphere, without protection, gives him great strength, and makes him almost impervious to physical harm. He can fly by using his surfboard, which, IIRC, is made up of the Power Cosmic.
LifeWillFall: Morph really only exists in the X-Men 'toon. There is/was a character that the cartoon was based loosely off of named the Changeling, who appeared as “Morph” in the Age of Apocalypse crossover. The Changeling was a shapeshifter who was also a very good actor and had some limited telepathic abilities. He was an enemy of the X-Men who reformed, and took the place of Professor X at the Professor’s request while he was planning to foil an alien invasion. The Changeling couldn’t duplicate any powers (with the exception of winged flight, and that’s a maybe) only appearances. He faked Professor X’s telepathy with the help of the Professor and Jean Grey, who was in on the ruse. IIRC, the cartoon Morph couldn’t duplicate powers either. There are a couple of Marvel characters who can duplicate powers, the Mimic and Synch, but they’re limited in their ability to use their borrowed powers. Same thing applies to Rogue, who can temporarily steal powers with a touch. Just because they’ve got 'em doesn’t mean they know how to use them.
Something similar applies to Iceman. He has a lot of potential power that he doesn’t use because he has a bit of an inferiority complex, and he’s too ethical to go around freeze-drying everything he fights. There was a storyline where his body was taken over by the White Queen, a telepath who had been in a coma. She did things with his powers that he’d never thought of, like turning into water and seeping underneath doors. After he regained control, Iceman adopted a few of those tricks, but never got the hang of others.
When you’re talking about the most powerful in a fight, I say the telepaths win. Strength, speed, or fighting ability don’t help much when the character is drooling on the ground with all their synapses firing off at once.
I could think of several people that could easily waste the flash without “outsmarting” him. I don’t want to sound redundant here but the Silver Surfer is one of them. He is superior to the flash in every way, including speed.
I guess if you want to get in a real pissing contest, the Living Tribunal would beat anyone in the Marvel Universe and the Spectre would beat anyone in the DC Universe.
DC Universe - Given enough time to plan, Batman can pretty much take anyone, as he proved in “Tower of Babel” and “The Dark Knight Returns”. In a spur of the moment fight, I would put my money on Superman.
Marvel Universe - There are too many “cosmic” types to say for sure. In “Secret Wars” (1 or 2, I don’t recall at the moment), the Beyonder opened up a fresh can of whoopass on just about every cosmic being that existed (Eternity, The Living Tribunal, The Eternals, etc, etc, etc.), but I seem to recall that in the Fantastic Four issue that was called Secret Wars III, it was at least implied that these guys threw the fight to help him in his growth as a Cosmic Cube, of which he was half (the Molecule Man being the other half). Of non-cosmic characters, I would go with the Hulk.
Feh, you’re all playing amateur hour. The hands-down winner in this here grudge match would be The Impossible Man.
(For non-Marvelites: a green-skinned purple-trunked alien with the ability to do anything. Only limitation is his attention span, which is on par with that of a five-year-old’s)
I mean, let’s remember that Impy even went up against the Silver Surfer and won, eh? What’s super-strength gonna do when you have super-obnoxiousness on your side?
(Though I’d like to say that Slapstick would run a close second, but I suspect most folks won’t even remember him…)
From what I remember of Conan/Wolvie, the called it a draw. Conan would beat normal, human controlled Wolverine as long as Conan had an unbreakable sword. Conan was able to detect some sort of pattern to Wolvie’s movements. The result of this was a sword breaking his spinal chord. Wolverine wakes up in full animal, beserker mode and wastes Conan doing a now unpredictable fighting style. Human Wolvie equals Conan win, Beserk Wolvie equals Wolvie win.
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There are too many cosmic beings in the different comic universes to give a good answer. Instead, Wizard did a bar-room brawl type hero comparison and Wolverine won. Not only could he down the beers, but he would take down the second in contention, the Hulk. They based this on previous fights between the two and that Wolverine is able to gut the Hulk like a lamb with his adamantium claws.
Not having read the series, are you saying that Captain Marvel said his magic word and changed back into Billy Batson and Superman was caught in the lightning bolt? Or are you saying that Marvel was actually hurling lightning bolts, something he heretofor had not been able to do? And are you further saying that Marvel reverted to Batson because he was unable to say his maic word while he was already Marvel? Also not how he used to work.
Wait. Doesn’t Iceman coat his body with ice? He doesn’t turn into ice, so how can he turn into water and seep anywhere?
Captain Marvel said the magic word, then he moved out of the way with the speed of Mercury, leaving Superman to be hit with the magic bolt of lightning. Since Superman has no special invulnerability to magic, it was like a normal man being hit by a bolt of normal lightning. Owie.
The Cap Marvel/Superman fight in Kingdom come had Cap saying the magic word “Shazam!” and moving out of the way at superspeed. The magical lightning bolt hit Superman instead. Supes wan’t doing to well, until he moved forward at super-speed and caught Marvel. The lightning bolt changed Marvel back to Billy Batson.
I didn’t read that issue when the White Queen takes over Iceman’s body, but it seems that she tapped into reservoirs of ability that Iceman had never been aware of, including turn to water.
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Yeah I like the Impossible Man. During a scavanger hunt, he managed to get Magneto’s helmut and the Hulk’s pants. That’s quite a feat.
He does now. He used to just coat his body, now he actually turns into living ice, and even grows defensive ice spikes out of his body as armor. The White Queen is a lot more of an aggressive personality anyways, and since it wasn’t HER body, she felt free to experiment. In that issue she comments that Iceman has potential that he’s afraid to use.