Yeah, Rick should have shared that, but I think he didn’t believe it (or didn’t want to). Probably justified it to himself in a “don’t panic people” sense. Not the best choice - but people aren’t always going to be making the best choices in a zombie apocalypse.
I think there was a line that Carl didn’t actually see much, and I know the dialogue between Carl and Rick supports that. If he came up late, he could easily have misread what happened (partially because he wouldn’t want to think that his two father figures would be trying to kill each other).
And finally - yeah, it’s a zombie show, so it’s not going to hold up to a lot of introspection. It would be nice if they were a little more internally consistent, but I try to enjoy it for what is (while nitpicking myself).
I think it was in the Talking Dead part that they emphasized that Rick didn’t necessarily believe what Jenner had told him – he was a leetle crazed by that time – until Shane really did rise up without being bitten. So it was a secret, but not one he actually believed wholeheartedly without proof. Shane was the proof. Then he did share it with the group. I don’t blame Rick for that – the women are hysterical enough without adding ‘rumors’.
Overall I like the episode, but I did expect one or more major characters would die, not just the extras who never really had much screen time.
I thought last week they had backed up the vehicles to the house in case they needed to make a quick get away. Not sure why the women had to to go so far to get to one. And where was Carol going?
It probably would have been a good idea to set up some rendevous points ahead of time, in case people got separated. And not leaving any kind of note for Andrea was cold.
Finally, what’s the one vehicle they had that could hold a lot of people and supplies? Instead of using the RV as a get-away vehicle, they decide to put one person in it (the others doubled up) to drive around on the farm. And of course, Jimmy decides when rescuing Rick and Carl to put the thing in park and get out of the drivers seat to do…not sure what.
They weren’t actually planning on getting away at first - the plan was to thin the herd and then lead it off.
Jimmy was another example of non-optimal thinking under pressure. He presumably opened the door to let Rick and Carl in (unless the zombies finally figured out latches). Not smart, but not any dumber than Rick and Carl climbing down off the roof (they didn’t know Jimmy was dead yet). Lay down flat and yell at Jimmy to drive off (I say from the safety of my couch).
I don’t think they were being herded as such. My impression is that with their low intelligence and decision-making capabilities, that once they start moving in a particular direction, they kind of just keep going until there’s something to distract them.
They had seen her go down, under a walker. There was no reason to believe she was still alive. Carol saw it, and I think Glenn might have seen it too. They didn’t know that the walker was already dead.
I’m not sure what you mean by psycho bitch. She has some very annoying personality traits, but she seems like a pretty normal person to me.
I’m really astonished at all this hostility towards Lori. I don’t particularly like her as a person, but I think her reactions are very believable. It’s only been, what, a couple of months since the world went to shit? It takes a lot longer than that to get used to things. And even in cases in which you might intellectually understand why your husband had to kill his best friend and your erstwhile lover, it can still be a shock that takes some time to get used to, if ever. There are a lot smaller things that can mess with a couple’s relationship.
And I don’t think Rick is from Georgia, is he? I thought he was from Kentucky. Or is that something I’ve picked up from the people who have read the comic books?
While I haven’t read the comics, I think it is made clear in them that Rick, Lori and Carl are all from Kentucky (near where I live! TWD ground zero! :)). I don’t think this is the case with the series, though, despite the hospital from the pilot being Harrison County Hospital, the county where creator Kirkland is from. But that could just be an insider detail and not prove anything as far as the location goes.
I give nearly all the “stupid” actions in this series a pass — these are shell-shocked survivors of a zombie apocalypse! Of course they’re going behave like idiots.
I will say I was really irritated by Lori recoiling in horror from Rick, though. From this I deduce she is, in fact, a psycho bitch. She even admitted it in the flashback, when she’s chatting with her friend at the school, waiting for Carl to get out (and when Shane comes up and tells her Rick has been shot). She says something like, “He won’t talk to me. If I’m acting like a bitch, I wish he’d just tell me I’m acting like a bitch!” Stupid bitch. The answer to that dilemma is “don’t act like a bitch.”
Also remember Rick told Shane in the car in the opening scene of the series that she had said to him, in front of Carl, “I don’t think I love you any more.” He was pretty pissed that she would say that in front of a child. Rightfully so.
Lori can get munched, for all I care, Frye boots and all!
Re: Lori - Didn’t season 1, episode 1 start with the premise that Rick and Lori were not doing well? Wasn’t there divorce papers in the mix as well? My baseline assumption, whether it was from the show or comics was that they didn’t exactly have a strong marriage at the time Rick got shot.
I still don’t like her, she is a less than useless mother (watch your f-cking kid!) and extremely manipulative. There is no other explanation for her behavior the last few episodes. She practically talks Rick into needing to kill Shane. She practically gives Shane an open invite that they could be together again. Then she turns on Rick after he kills Shane in self-defense. Granted, Shane was bat-shit crazy anyway and going down this road but she helped set the whole thing in motion.
I thought this episode, and the last 3 in total, really made up for the piss-poor start of the season. Now, in hindsight I can see why this season played out the way it did. They had to slowly build up the life on the farm, the relationship dynamics, etc. to make that final 3 episodes really pay off. Not high-art or anything but in my opinion it all came together incredibly.
From this point in the story with the comics, I also started to lose some interest. To me, it got entirely too comic booky with over the top villains and “good guys/gals”. (I don’t think that is a spoiler, just backing up another poster’s opinion already stated). I eventually stopped reading them, not sure how many comics came out after I stopped but it lost a lot of interest for me. I’m hoping with the changes they’ve made for the t.v. show they also continue to change the story line to avoid this. I’ll watch next season for sure as in the comic some key events do happen that I’m hoping they also carry into the t.v. show but I hope they tone down some of the other characters/events.
I think it’s an exaggeration to say she “turned on” him. She’s shocked and angry. There hasn’t been enough time to see whether she has “turned on” him.
Statements like Glenn’s “I love you” to Maggie make it seem more time has passed. He said, “It’s been true for while now and I should have said it sooner.” Maybe it’s like wartime and you fall in love in days?
At any rate, while I’m not exactly doubting Fubaya good work in creating the timeline, I think there are some leaps of time that aren’t strictly covered by what’s seen on the screen. It’s not 24, after all. Did that series implant some expectation of this sort?
Oh and if they’ve been driving for hours, how is it that Andrea, on foot, can wind up near the prison too … if that’s where this Mystery Minion Wrangler came from?
Fair enough - she recoiled in horror, grasped the son she never seems to keep an eye on, and is acting all butt-hurt that Rick killed Shane. The same Shane she was having a relationship with, then wasn’t because Rick was back, then almost got raped by Shane, then put the thought in Rick’s head that they need to kill Shane, then put the thought in Shane’s head that she still wanted him and it could be his baby cause she just doesn’t know, and now is so horrified at what has happened.
But lets give this woman the benefit of the doubt, perhaps she hasn’t “turned on” Rick. After all, Lori is pretty good at manipulating men to get the protection she wants from them…
That is an assumption that she came from the prison, nothing in the episode indicated that she was from there.
I know time gets a bit fuzzy on this show but really they went out looking for Randall late afternoon. The sun set and we had the Shane/Rick face-off and subsequent zombie attack almost immediately afterwards. The sun was back up when they had to stop due to gas. Seems to me that they were driving all night and into at least morning of the next day which means they’ve put some serious miles between them and the farm.
Iit is very common for the reality of death, killing, and murder to throw people off, regardless of whether you liked someone or not, or whether you had thought you wanted someone dead. It’s just human. People are complicated, and such complexity by itself doesn’t support “psycho” conclusions.
Yes! Superb chaos and terror, topped with a compelling intro to S3: Ricktatorship. I had totally forgotten about the 'armless pet zombies from the books. The arrival of Michonne looked completely badass on the tube.
I was literally squirming with discomfort when Jimmy was dying. Talking Dead informed that being eaten alive is that actor’s greatest fear, so that’s some real terror in that scene.
Hershel has been saying for a few eps now: we need to listen to Rick. It seems like even in a time of relative quiet he already understood that things like second guessing and engaging in debates where everyone’s voice gets heard have no place in their situation in this world. When Rick gave his speech at the campfire, you could see each group member, who had grown up in a world with lofty ideals of group discussion and talking at length about your feelings, grudgingly choose to STFU when faced with staying with a killer (the devil you know) or taking their chances on their own.
I saw Lori’s strange reaction to the news as nothing more than horror. You never know your spouse as well as you think you do. You build their character, motivations, and inner dialog in your head. Rick stopped kvetching and surprised the shit out of her.