The Walking Dead; 3.01 "Seed" (open spoilers)

Is the prison they’re at now the same one we saw in ep 2.13? If so then they’ve spent the last 6 months going in circles. Which means the horde “following them” is also going in circles? :confused:

Presumably they could’ve at least gone back to the farm for some scavenging. It was just the barn that caught on fire, right? Not the farm house.

It’s not like it’s going to make them sick either. Unless it’s expired it’s safe for humans to eat. The main issue would be overcoming the psychological aversion, but that shouldn’t be much of a problem given how much there standards have fallen over the past 6 months (well, except apparently for Rick).

Aren’t there additives you can add to gasoline to extend it’s shelf life? Granted they probally needed to be added before you let it sit for months on end, and I have know idea how easy they’d be to come across (or if any of the characters would even be aware fo them).

Yes.

Thanks. I had a feeling it probally wouldn’t make any difference in the end. I almost expected Herschel to have a heart attack on the spot. Hopefully he gave somebody else at least a little training in childbirth. The slightest complication & Lori is screwed. They might find a treasure trove of useful medical supplies in the prison infirmary, but books on childbirth aren’t going to be included. Wrong kind of a prison.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Get your good fiction out of our crappy, pulp fiction :smiley:
I did it thirty-five minutes ago.

I liked this episode for many of the reasons already stated: more action, less soap opera. There are still some silly character decisions, but they’re definitely showing us that the team is becoming more coordinated and tactical. I liked Rick’s line about the main armory not being on the prison campus; whether or not that’s true, it makes sense, as you wouldn’t want a prison riot to result in lots of armed prisoners. Also, it’s plausible that Rick knows that, with his law enforcement background.

The gas-mask face thing was over the top IMO. It feels like they’re getting more and more brazen with each season. Season two had the zombie autopsy and Mud Zombie’s Abdominal Workout for Seniors. Now we’ve got zombies with their faces rotted off but their brains evidently still firing. It’s almost like they’re trying to see what they can get away with.

Having read the comics, I was expecting the other humans to be there, but who knows if they’ll take it in the same direction.

Yeah, when she first appeared in the comics, I thought she had taken a wrong turn at the manga section.
I just had a weird thought (completely unfounded theory): What if

Merle ends up becoming the Governor? I don’t think it’s likely, but he is a loose end.

OK, that’s settled then. I think. Huh?

I think ammunition would be easy to find, especially in the southern U.S. Serious reloaders (and lots of shooters load their own rounds) could have hundreds or thousands of brass empties around, and lots of powder. Any gun shop would have reloading equipment. But I wouldn’t under-estimate the amount of ammunition that’s in private hands today - hell, I haven’t even shot my .22 or 9mm pistol in years, and we’ve got a couple of thousand rounds lying around - I bought a few bricks of 500 .22 rounds on sale, and haven’t used them, and we have a few 50 round boxes of ammo for the 9mm. We’re not crazy survivalists, but shooting is expensive so when ammo goes on sale or clearance you tend to stock up.

For yucks, I did a google search for “how much ammo do you have?”, and found a shooting sports forum with a poll asking members that. 40% of them answered “1,000 to 5,000 rounds”. 20% said 5,000 - 10,000 rounds, and another 20% said “10,000+”

According to this article, gun owners in the U.S. bought 12 billion rounds of ammunition last year. Given how many people have old boxes of ammo lying around, I’ll bet the total amount in private hands today is several multiples of that. And the southern U.S. probably has a much higher than average per-capita amount.

As for zombie killing, why haven’t they made themselves armor yet? Herchel wouldn’t be lying on the ground right now if he had been wearing some hockey shin guards or riding boots. A visit to a motorcycle store would get them all nice, light body armor with kevlar rip-stop fabric. But they’re going into battle with bare arms and shoulders. That seems suicidal. At least put on a heavy denim jacket or something. There must be motorcycle helmets everywhere.

I know why they don’t do that on TV - it’s not very compelling to see your characters in armor all the time. But does other zombie fiction and zombie graphic novels have armored characters?

Another actor has been cast as the Governor. Merle will return this season, though.

Sam, the corollary is why were they so worried about the riot zombies and the respirator zombie? They’re not smart enough to get the face shield up or the respirator off, so just push them back, kill the ones that can actually harm you, and then flank the remaining and hit them as needed. No need to go courting trouble pulling off shields and respirators if the back of the head is an open target. Not saying they would be, but I think the group’s target selection skills still suck.

What I hate about this show, more than the general idiocy of the characters over the last couple of seasons, is that the writers can’t even stick to their own rules.

Looks like we will be watching these on Monday nights due to the slight delay of iTunes, but yay, we saw it now! New season! Less idiocy! Laurie describing herself being killed in various gruesome ways!

Here’s my thought on the dog food - that scene wasn’t played strictly for realism, but to underline the change in the world and the descent of human society. Note that Carl didn’t pause, grimace, or seem to even register that this was dog food. He only cared that it was food. His parents had such a visceral reaction against it not simply because their kid was reduced to eating dog food, but because their kid was reduced to being perfectly happy to eat dog food. Just as with their (realistically) dumb decision to expose their flanks to the zombies rather than at least funneling them through the fence, I can forgive dramatic license to a good extent, if it’s in service of a good story.

I had way more of a problem with them not double tapping every body they encountered, which of course led to someone being bitten. **Dark2Phoenix **opined that realistically, if they were going hungry, it might not be worth the caloric expenditure to brain every corpse, but I feel like they needed to at least address the issue before skipping blithely over bodies.

It seems like they had to cut a lot of the Michonne/Andrea footage, and delivered the absolute essentials as quickly as possible. I’m hoping we see more of them next week.

Because they hadn’t seen zombies in riot gear before. They’ve spent the last six months killing zombies in a pretty standard way. Suddenly, that doesn’t work - a bit of “Shit! Now what?” is perfectly understandable. They did pretty quickly figure out to go in through the back or under the jaw.

On ‘Talking Dead’, one of the writers was asked how all the guards in riot gear were infected, considering how hard it was to injure/kill them. IIRC, he didn’t actually answer it, but instead drifted into talking about how cool it was, how they did it because it hadn’t been done before, etc. I don’t think the writers really have rules.

I don’t recall whether every dead body became a zombie or just people who died after whatever event caused it. Were any live people zombified?

We don’t know the source of the outbreak, just that it happened and there’s a bunch of zombies around now. Anyone who dies - of ANY cause except catastrophic brain damage - will become a zombie. Zombie bites cause death.

They haven’t mentioned how old the bodies have to be before they’re no longer viable as zombies, nor how the infection spread, but it doesn’t seem unlikely that zombies were clawing their way out of graves or anything. Though I suppose it’s possible, given the information we have.

If I had to guess, this contagion hit, and infected people who died of non-zombie causes were the first seed zombies. They presumably reanimated at home, the hospital, or the morgue and the infection spread from there.

Still, that’s all conjecture, because they haven’t mentioned anything specific about the infection aside from the fact that it resides in the main characters (and presumably everyone else living now), and causes zombification upon death.

Are we supposed to have forgotten all about all the dead bodies in the automobiles along the interstate back in season one? I didn’t see any head trauma on them, or any sign of zombification.

This is definitely a fanwank, but it could be that if you die in a car in the hot Georgia sun, it cooks your brain to the point where zombification is no longer possible.

Honestly, though, it’s probably just sloppy writing.

Somewhere along the way I heard that if you looked closely, every single one of them had one form or another of head trauma.

Whether that’s actually true or the writers were trying to fill a a plot hole they left open, I don’t know.

Seriously? I looked at my husband and said, “These zombies have armor?!” and he promptly responded “*I *want armor!”

I suppose he could have meant it’s been done in video games, but never in a filmed zombie story, but it’s definitely been done!

All the scenes moving through the prison felt like a dungeon crawl. Then, when the came across a higher lever MOB (the guards in riot gear), they had to figure out how to deal with them.

Look–monsters! Run!

/Doctor Who

Yeah, if the amygdala is damaged, no zombification…

Y’know… a lizard-brain did it.

From sitting in a car? :slight_smile: