This. Too much of this going on.
I liked this ep, except for Rick being a hypocritical douche bucket. I had a feeling he was taking Carol out to get rid of her. The very first thing he better do when he gets back is tell everyone exactly what he did, or he’s a hypocritical douche bucket. He also needs to banish that stupid brat son of his, or he’s a hypocritical douche bucket.
When did Tyreese get so special and important? He’s practically an extra. A big dumb almost get himself and everyone else killed big dumb extra. Carol is way more important than him and his widdle feewings.
The stoner twins weren’t terribly realistic. What, the girl has a injured leg so she’s out in the wide open walking through a fence gate and oh my gosh, the zombies got me! I’m guessing it wasn’t just fruit they were growing in the green house, it must have been some really strong weed.
So, will Carol team up with stoner boy and save what’s left of the prison from the governor and Rick’s ineptitude? Daryl and Michonne are the only two who need to survive the prison anyway.
There’s going to be a spin off? I guess that could explain Carol. Do we really need two shows with people stumbling around stupider than everyone in the audience?
I’m wondering that myself. I’ll watch “The Walking Dead” religiously, but I don’t see the need for another show just like it. Well, if they straighten out the problems with this show (i.e. make the people less stupid and do fewer stupid things), that would be good, I guess.
I have some bad news, everyone. Try not to freak out. There’s a virus, and we may all be infected. It . . . makes you spell characters’ names all wrong. I’m so sorry. Sobs
My husband had an interesting take on it: the theme of the season is about moving away from pure survival to living in a civilization of sorts. Rick used the encounter with the dumb kids as a test to see if Carol was stuck in “survive at all costs, we don’t have time for humanity” mode, or if she could balance it by welcoming people who couldn’t *immediately *help them. When she couldn’t even wait for them to get back to the prison before becoming useful, and basically reacted to their death(s) with “Oh well, such soft people are no use to the group,” he made the final decision that he didn’t want her in his society.
While this doesn’t erase some of the problems people have pointed out (especially the hypocrisy over unilateral action), I think it has been well set up that he hopes that Carl is young enough to retrieve some childhood - he wanted him not to have a gun, wanted him to join the children at storytime, etc.
Rick’s being pushed by circumstances to let go the farmer persona to some degree, but in this episode he looks at what Carol did, and how she made the decision, and he’s saying to himself, “*I *won’t go that far. I can’t accept that level of practical brutality.” He had to get rid of her because she represents the temptation he’s trying to resist.
Sad to see Melissa McBride go - I hope we do see Carol again as part of another group, saving their ass from the Governor, or in the spinoff. So of the people who have survived from Season 1, we’re down to Rick, Carl, Glenn, and Daryl, right?
I think Carol passed the test just fine. We saw her upset and kicking water barrels around and she said she wasn’t happy about what she did. Better than leaving a perfectly healthy backpacker on the side of the road and coming back later and stealing his backpack. She was genuinely disappointed the stoner kid didn’t come back on time, but she accepts reality far more than Rick has been shown to. At least they left him a car. Oh, wait. No the car was for Carol. The kid is fucked.
He gave the gun back and Carl was just about ready to draw on Hershal, who had to tell him not to shoot that zombie in the forest because he didn’t need to and it would probably have attracted more zombies anyway.
I agree he’s punishing Carol for everything he’s guilty of.
I assume they are trying to give a nod to the comic readers. Comic spoilers below.
He is a big character in the comics, essentially replacing Shane as Rick’s right hand man. The writers of the show have clearly tried to tie the comic Tyreese to the show’s Tyreese, for example with Rick and Tyreese fighting and with Tyreese being a terrible marksman. However, his character development has been weak and really doesn’t resemble the comic version except superficially. You can read more about the comic character if you’re interested in seeing how the differences: http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Tyreese_(Comic_Series)
Now I am eagerly looking forward to a scene where Rick climbs a few stairs, looks over a roomful of tired, scared, dirty people, gives a lengthy speech about pulling together and the need for leadership in these difficult times…and gets politely ignored, as the people instead turn to the council for leadership. A scene where Rick applies to be on the council and gets black-balled would be even sweeter.
On balance, Rick’s leadership was inept. He was consistently indecisive, and reversed himself repeatedly. He led the group in circles for six months between seasons 2 and 3. He was overmatched in negotiations with the Governor. He needlessly alienated Michonne. He let his beef with Shane escalate until one of them was dead. He allowed his underlings to make terrible decisions with no consequences, such as Andrea shooting Daryl. He threw away a food source (the dog food) for no reason. His sanity was often in doubt, prompting him to abandon the group, and his hallucinations got Oscar killed and drove away Tyreese’s group. He assumed that Andrew would be killed by a handful of walkers, allowing him to return and exact vengeance. He abandoned Andrea to her fate. He refused to abandon the prison, instead holding out for the slim chance that his badly-outnumbered and underequipped group would prevail in a gunfight with Woodbury, prevailing only by having the writers on his side.
I’m hard-pressed to think of good decisions he made, in fact. Killing Tomas, I guess. Fabricating suppressors, if that was his idea.
Oh, okay. I haven’t read the comics and probably won’t. In-show, Tyreese can’t shoot, doesn’t want to kill zombies or deal with people but he gets mad about his girlfriend and according to Rick, will “kill” whoever hurt her. I wouldn’t want someone like that around my troop. He’s more of a danger to the group than help.
While that’s true, it’s all post-Karen’s death. Before that, he was a capable, courageous individual, and had a knack for de-escalating conflicts and being a reasonable leader. It’s entirely possible he can return to being the old Tyreese, and not this aggressive, quasi-suicidal liability.
Evil will always triumph because good is dumb.
I was kinda hoping against hope that Carol would’ve just capped Rick. “Oh yeah, he got bit. Had to put him down. Sorry Carl. Hey, wanna check out my knife collection?”
God, she’s gonna find and join the governor’s group, isn’t she? Ughhhhh. :mad:
Why is D’Angelo Barksdale smuggling that booze? Will the rest of the gang not let him have any because he’s a drunk? Don’t tell me they don’t collect it and store it at the prison, along with boxes of cigs. Gotta unwind after a long day of killing walkers.
Y’know how I’d unwind after a day of killing walkers?
I’d probably kill more walkers while dressed as a clown.
They seem to have forgotten about the camo, too. Just hollow out a walker and wear him out whenever you need to leave the yard.
I hope to hell the writers of this show have left trying to stay true to the comic books long behind.
Hmm, so if what you’re saying is that they should kill Rick when he comes back to the group and go get Carol, I’d be on board with that. 
Sweeeet!
That is an interesting take; I can see Rick thinking that. He’s wrong, of course - they aren’t even close to out of the woods yet and people like Carl and Carol are a whole lot more able to survive than people like he is, and that’s far more important than polite niceties at this point.
He’s a medic, which makes him far to available to be risking his own life for booze like he did by not letting go of the bag. He even put the others’ lives in danger by making them wait & come to his rescue. That’s part of the reason why Daryl was so pissed (Daryl’s personal/family history of addiction is probably a factor too). Also the booze was probably taking up space that could’ve been filled with precious drugs.
“Look for anything ending in ‘cillin’…”
No, stupid, take everything. Jeez. You people are so dumb.
I have to defend Rick in his decision.
What Carol did wasn’t simply to take it upon herself to make a decision that should be reserved for the group. She killed two living people, which as Rick rightly pointed out, we don’t know if they were going to survive. The reason she did it might be good, but taken to its logical conclusion, she’s a threat to anyone in the prison that might be sick. Rick, making the decision himself to banish her, doesn’t threaten anyone else at the prison. Plus, he did it so that another prisoner won’t go crazy trying to kill her.
In Tyrese’s defense, Rick has no idea he’s gone nutty, that happened while he’s here with Carol, and probably sees him as a big able body, so even though he’s new to the group, he can do a lot more physical stuff than Carol. Plus he’s never killed anyone. And if he does, he has revenge justification (its different when you kill 2 innocent people on a misguided attempt to get rid of a virus vs. avenging someone who was killed). And maybe he feels a bit of guilt over kicking Tyrese out when they first met.
As for what Carl did, that kid was an outsider and may have been a threat, so even though Carl lost a bit of his humanity in doing so, he’s not a threat to the group. As for Shane, he was becoming unhinged. He might have different thoughts on how to run the group, but to try to kill Rick for it makes him a terrible leader no matter what you thought of his survival philosophy. Shane would have turned into the Governor had he lived. He wasn’t just threatening Rick, he was threatening everyone
Right, but I’m wondering why he’s so desperate to go so far for* that* particular bottle. Like if they’ve run dry at the prison by now. Or only use alcohol for antiseptic purposes. Or maybe after awhile drinks and cigs would be worth their weight in gold since all the easy sources get looted.
I wonder if Daryl knows how to make some good old fashioned moonshine.
Personally, I wouldn’t want to live with a person who has decided that the strong thing to do is kill people at the first sign of weakness or that they might be a risk to the group.
Being able to make hard decisions is good. Deciding that the hardest decision is always the rightest one is not.
Carol no longer has any hope. Her perspective is that the worst thing is always going to happen requiring you to do the worst thing. This is why she didn’t argue with Rick at all. Being exiled and forced out on her own is just the ultimate conclusion to her nihilism.
I do enjoy the comments in this thread that Carol’s unilateral decision to murder people who might survive and may not be further risks (after all, her action did not to prevent the diseases spread so it isn’t like she was right) but Rick’s unilateral decision was best left to democracy.
I’d be disappointed if he didn’t. 
That’s a good point - I can see that in her now that you’ve pointed it out. She’s not necessarily wrong - it does seem that everything always gets as shitty as possible, but she probably shouldn’t eliminate the possibility of anything going right.
Yeah, these people need to figure out if they’re living under a council making decisions or everybody just doing what they please, and then stick with it. I think Rick’s response to Carol should have been to take her back to the group and as a group go through what she did and what the consequences of acting without the council’s approval should be.