He was fucking crazy, a psychopath. He chilled out for a while, but being in charge of just a couple of people made him want more power, and being in control of a group made him want more.
As the Talking Dead epitaph said, “rot in hell.”
That got a fist pump out of me, as did the katana through the governor. 
I don’t think the guv anticipated the ferocity of the defense. He’d scouted the place and could see they weren’t on war footing. They had no reason to expect an attack by force. He was right on this. Daryl was passing out the guns during the encounter. It took him too long to kill Herschel or his plan probably would work.
One thing is certain, any discussion about defensive tactics employed really need to remember this was all on the fly and their leader was unavailable. Too much planning would be highly unrealistic.
Was that the prison dead, the ones who died of zombie flu?
He was the brother of the guy the (Don’t Call Me That) Governor whacked. I didn’t know that he was military. Perhaps he wasn’t a tanker.
Disgruntled Penguin, the governor very much was expecting a fight, and he drew up the plans. Also arguing against your apologist interpretation is the fact that he used pretty much the same strategy the last time he attacked the prison.
Wasn’t he the guy who said he was a tank driver and then booked when things went bad, and took his tank with him?
I can see where you believe that but I’m not convinced that fear of being responsible for other peoples lives ( and not wanting to screw it up again ) wasn’t the reason he sought out power again. The show practically hit us over the head with this concept. He kills Martinez when he admits he’s not sure he can keep the group safe then he see’s Petes weak leadership and then he tries to leave as he can’t trust their leadership. That failed and after that, he takes the reins himself.
All that could have been bs but I’m taking the story at it’s word there.
I’ll have to take people’s word for it as to weapon and battle technicalities, but there’s one technical aspect I’m damn sure about. If the director has any clue about reality (I realize that’s a big if with this show), Judith is probably alive. See, the buckle on her seat was undone. Those suckers are hard to operate, and no zombie would know/bother about it. Assuming the show made a deliberate choice about that detail, she was most likely removed from her seat by a bleeding/bloody human such as Maggie or Tyreese (who was last seen following the kids who had her).
I’m with coolbyrne: they’ll have a touching unexpected reunion with plenty of swelling, soulful music.
Again, he has first hand experience with their defense. Didn’t work last time.
what else do they spend their time on ? Defense should be pretty much all they do.
I missed who he beheaded in the first attack. I missed the entire hostage deal the first attack. That’s the difference. I see no reason he would expect Rick to not accept his offer considering their reaction the last time he took hostages.
If he was expecting a fight I honestly don’t see how he would have decided to go to the prison that day. He might be crazy but he has never been portrayed as an idiot. He had an untested army. He was under no time crunch. At the least they would have drilled and made a plan. He had a fairly oiled military machine at Woodbury. He’d have surely wanted to work toward that, tank or no tank.
Again, he didn’t have the element of surprise or hostages round one. He only gave them an hour to decide. If he’d have given them more time to prepare the plan was doomed but don’t forget, they weren’t even armed when he got there, That would have been the time to attack and the prison was hosed. He didn’t attack.
I’d say that defending themselves from themselves and getting medical supplies was a far more important thing to do. That and working to be food self sufficiency seem like worthy goals too.
Jeez, that and working toward food self sufficiency seem like worthy goals too.
I managed to edit that line and make it worse.
I’ll admit the prison gang is underpreparing for security but it isn’t the sole priority. If you’re going to hole up somewhere you’re going to have to solve the food issue sooner or later and it’s never too soon.
That was what I came in to post. Judith was buckled in her seat when the two girls were carrying her. The restraint was unbuckled in the empty chair. I have 3 kids in car seats - those things are not easy to operate. No way a walker unbuckled the kid and ate her. She, unfortunately, is alive to make the next fleeing scene more dramatic.
I may not actually riot but I’d definitely stop watching.
This is why I thought the Gov was stupid to even try this. Surely, someone from Woodbury might be there and they’d could talk and get his new crew to think twice about him.
Although I do think the people on the Gov’s side should have just panicked and run the other way when shit hit the fan I guess we can attribute it to adrenaline fueled stupidity.
It seems to me the best place to be in the zombie apocalypse would be on sail boats. Find a nice calm bay somewhere with good year round weather, like San Diego, and anchor off the coast. They would never run out of fish and they could run up and down the coastline looking for orchards and additional supplies. There should be enough bottled water lying around to last until the zombies all rot away. Problem solved.
Aside from the folks trying to take your boat away from you.
The one line episode description on IMDB is: “The Gov tries to take the prison, will this be his third time lucky?” - at first I thought that’s such a silly way to write up an episode description, but then I thought - well, no, that’s pretty much it.
The governor’s speech to recruit his new people to attack the prison was pathetic. Was that supposed to be a rousing speech, showing us why the governor could inspire people to follow him? It was awkward, badly written, and just ridiculous when everyone nodded along and after that half-hearted crapfest all said YEAH LET’S GO KILL PEOPLE WOO. But of course I don’t think the writers intended to convey that the governor was awkward or anything. They simply are not capable of writing good dialogue or characters - that was their best attempt at a rousing speech and it was pathetic.
You basically can’t lose a fight when there’s a tank on your side in these circumstances. You don’t even need to use the main cannon and wreck your future home. You can just use the tank as a moving invulnerable machine gun carrier.
What’s sad about all the action scenes in this show is that they’re spending the money anyway. You already have the explosions and the tank and the squibs. So why not spend a few minutes actually choreographing it so that it’s compelling, interesting, and realistic? It wouldn’t take much more time or money to choose the right sequence of actions, the right camera angles, why waste all that money and effort making something that a 14 year old who’s played some war games could’ve choreographed better? You make your characters look dumb, you make the action sequences boring, you make people roll their eyes instead of get caught up in the moment. That battle was probably filmed over a week. Spend a few hours thinking it through first.
The action choreography on this show has always been terrible. As has the writing. The cinematography is hit or miss. Really, the only good thing about this show is the practical effects people.
It’s just a shame because with the same budget, subject matter, crew, and actors, this could be a great, compelling show. But because no one gives a shit about good writing, instead it’s a guilty pleasure at best.
Also, Rick made a pretty good case for the governor’s new people to switch sides. To them, the governor is just some dude that showed up a few days ago and possibly caused the mysterious deaths of the town’s leaders. He then makes a half-ass speech to weakly incite an otherwise peaceful group of people to become bloodthirsty bandits.
What would’ve made more sense was… Rick makes his offer to have them join them, say that we’re doing well over here, that we’ve even integrated the governor’s previous groups, oh btw he’s crazy pants, here, listen to one of the guys who used to live in his town, come on over. And then as the governor’s new group is wavering and considering the offer, the governor desperately kills Hershell specifically as a way to force the prison group to start fighting, and the governor’s new group to defend themselves. It would’ve made more sense that way. “LIAR!!!” chop is not compelling writing.
The thing is - if this show was made up on the fly by a 13 year old in English class, it’d be a pretty good effort. But the production of this show involves months of time and millions of dollars and a crew of hundreds. What does it say that with all the months spent in the writers room with professional writers all bouncing ideas off each other that the random critiques and suggestions people make up on the fly on a message board are drastically better than what they can come up with?
Any five random people from this thread would write a much tighter, more compelling, more logical, more consistent show.
Well, to be fair, they did just all go through a pretty nasty bout of “bleed from the lungs” flu.
However, you’re absolutely right- they hardly did anything to fortify that prison. Hell, they *knew *that there were huge hordes of walkers out there, and they *knew *that their fences couldn’t stand up to even a small group of 'em. At the very *least *they should’ve always had multiple people on watch. Their idea of fortification was to just build a fairly good gate.
And food? Hell, they had that huge yard… and were apparently only farming on about fifteen square feet of it. That entire yard should’ve been growing crops. Last year I grew just two tomato plants and had more tomatoes than I knew what to do with- imagine how much food that yard could have grown. And that’s not even counting the roof of the prison- lots of flat space up there, which coincidentally would also make a fantastic sniper and spotter location. Did we ever see them up on the roof?
To keep from going barking mad, while watching we now point out how stupid the characters are, and blame it on them being from Georgia. Stupid rednecks against zombies.
It’s the only way to sanity.
I mean it. There isn’t really an intelligent one in the group, except Rick’s son. He wanted to just shoot the madman, and he was right. He is pretty much always right.