Discarded script ideas.
Hmm sorry about that. I didn’t mean any offence, I just finished reading the comic series (for the second tme) and I was just pointing out the similarities between the two.
This is a TV show based on a comic, I don’t think it’s un-realistic to mention the comic every once and a while.
In the same vein, is anyone allowed to mention the Hobbit book in the Desolation of Smaug thread?
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Unrealistic? how is it unrealistic? It is actually extremely easy, nothing unrealistic about it.
Comic book spoilers don’t mean anything in terms of the show, since they are two different things. But it might spoil things for people who haven’t read the comics and plan to do so.
-How in the world did a big ass tank and a bunch of vehicles sneak up on the prison? Do they not have a walking patrol to make sure the zombies don’t gather at the fence again? Or did Rick and Carl get rid of all the zombies earlier in the season? :rolleyes:
-I think the writers forget that this has been going on for what, two years? Why are these people so stupid, after having lived with this peril for so long?
-Absolutely no recoil for these kids shooting guns.
-According to the Gov, the reason he chose the prison and not some other place is because all those other places are occupied with people. Really? There’s not a single, perhaps even better fortified empty building anywhere else in the general Georgia area?
-Why exactly were Hershel and Michonne burning that pile of zombies at the beginning? Because let’s be honest, if they’re going to burn one pile, they’re going to be burning every day. (Good thing they have an endless supply of gasoline.)
-This is not a spoiler about Judith, but I’m pretty certain she’s not dead. I would put money on a tearful reunion scene in the first or second episode when everyone finds each other at the unnamed meeting place. I think this for two reasons: first, if he almost went insane after Lori died, imagine how Rick’s going to deal with the death of his (maybe) daughter? Second, this show doesn’t seem to want to make Rick suffer a direct loss. When you look at the original group of people, they’ve all lost someone close. Maggie and Beth lost their brother and their father (was there another sister, too?). Daryl had to kill his brother. Carl had to kill his mother. Carol lost her daughter. Andrea lost… oh right. Sorry, Andrea. Rick has lost a wife who took a whole two months to grieve the death of her husband and may very well have tried to pass off Shane’s baby as Rick’s. Boo-hoo. I think they’ve written Rick into an emotional corner, so that anything more than what he’s already suffered will ride him right off the rails. Thus, I think Judith is alive and well.
-The Gov isn’t nearly as good with a katana as Michonne, is he? Took him a couple of whacks and he still couldn’t separate the head from the body.
-If they had grenades, why not use those first, to create some chaos, then start opening fire?
-Sam Stone, was it you who commented about how people can single-fire headshot a zombie, but can’t hit a person in an open field with a machine gun? So true!
-My moment of joy was seeing the sword coming through the chest of the Governor. The only way it could have been better is if she had looked down and said, “I told you.” (She told him earlier in the trailer, “I’m going to kill you.”) Of course, technically, she didn’t kill him, so maybe she didn’t want to take the credit. 
Moderator note
Yes I should have made a mention of it earlier. We don’t know what they’re going to do in the series and someone tells what happened in the comic book it might be a spoiler for the TV series. So keep comic book plot points out of this thread and other episode specific threads.
Of course anyone who has read/watched both is free to start a comparison thread or something similar.
Oh fie!
I was just going to ask if Darryl is alive in the comic.
Fie, Madame, fie!
More petty nitpickery:
Rick has a huge (albeit empty) revolver and at least one knife, so he leaps onto the Governor and…punches him? Because when you’re really mad, you do it the hard way?
Don’t tanks normally get towed to the battlefield on a flatbed, what with fuel consumption and wear and tear and all? How much diesel do they have laying around anyway? Maybe that’s what was in the flaming guard tower.
A strange one eyed man shows up at some crappy little camp, then the leader and his successor die in tragic accidents. Three days after pullng the jackass out of the hole he blundered into, everybody follows him on a suicide mission, because he made a speech that would have gotten a solid C in public speaking 101.
My 14yo son and myself were hoping that Glen would get it but alas it was Santa. I guess they needed to move the story on from the prison and this does it, by the time it comes back we will have had time to digest it.
Any possibility Gov was the one who beheaded and labeled the bodies they came across on the way to the cabin?
He said “liar” and beheaded Herschel.
The Talking Dead epitaphs were pretty cool. 
Yep, he and his magical bolts are still wreaking havoc.
(Note to Mods: Darryl is unique to the series)
I think his look of surprise when he found the first headless body discounts that theory. It seemed to have possibly been the cabin’s occupants.
Yeah, that’s what I figured, but that moment when he beheaded Herschel made me wonder.
well that and the non-headless body labeled “murderer” on the front porch made it pretty clear who killed them.
Well, I wondered if he was somehow involved or observed- and knew about whatever they did. I wasn’t thinking it was by accident.
The idling tank engine sounded more like a gasoline engine than a diesel anyway
Correct me if I’m wrong, but when Daryl grabbed the holstered handgun from the weapons cart, Water poured from from the holstered weapon, and the M4 slings seemed to be waterlogged…
Just because a shooter has an M-4/M-16 it doesn’t mean that they HAVE to shoot it with the “giggle switch” on, these firearms are capable of semi-auto operation (one bullet fired for each pull of the trigger), the GS, although fun, wastes prodigious amounts of Precious ammo, something in limited supply in a zompocalypse …
Also, an AR/M4/M16 has far less recoil than a hunting rifle in .30something caliber, and holds far more ammo than a hunting boltgun, a HB generally holds 10 rounds or less (4-5 is typical for a Remington 700 or Savage 10/110 in .308/.30-06), an “EBR” (“Evil” Black Rifle) can use stick mags from 5 to 40-ish rounds, the most common capacity is 30 rounds
A .30 caliber hunting rifle has a lot more “stopping power” than a 5.56 / .223 caliber EBR, and is designed for larger and heavier targets than humans, and would be overkill for zombies, since all you need to do to deactivate a walker is to destroy the brain, blowing large holes in anything but the skull would not stop the zombie
The biggest issue with the above guns is they are LOUD, in a firefight like last night, all participants would have suffered severe, permanent hearing damage, not a good thing, in a zompocalypse, you need all your senses at maximum, and hearing is particularly important
As stated up thread, the humble 10/22 and some 25 round magazines would be the ideal zombie disposal weapon, especially if suppressed and using subsonic ammo…
The trouble with these tactical plans is that no one was expecting a fight. They’d have never gone to a fight. The guv only got the gang to go along with the scheme because he made it clear there would be no violence. It was supposed to be a show of force and the defenders were going to give up.
Pretty hard to sell the peaceful takeover if you’re planting snipers and sneaking through fences. They’d know that this wasn’t a peaceful takeover.
Once Rick made his speech, the guv realized that there was no way he could make his guys actually attack the prison after that speech and he wouldn’t feel safe living under the same roof as Rick, who he already hated and who sounded frankly like Pete and he’d already deemed him not leader worthy.
So, to force issues, he kills Herschel provoking a response and now the people have to fight but they have no plan so they try and hide behind the tank and just return fire.
Also, I don’t believe the guv was crazy given his belief system.
He believed he needed to find shelter to secure his families safety.
He believed all worthwhile shelter would be already occupied. Some of you talk about zombyproofing any old building but so what? Zombies aren’t the big threat. Other people, people like, oh, the guv are the threat. He’d done enough looting small camps himself and lest he had forgotten he saw that camp looted and everyone killed a couple of days before.
If he has to take a base from somebody, it makes sense he’d choose the prison. It was close and he had no idea if it was a fortress or still just Rick and his little band or if they hadn’t left themselves.
He scouts the prison and captures his hostages then he saw a way he could get his group to go along with the supposed milk run and all they had to do was look scary. Since he knew he outnumbered and out munitioned Rick and he knew they were good guys it’s reasonable to expect the group to cave and give up the prison and if they didn’t he had a tank.
Jesus Christ, as I’ve said before, I hate to agree with you.
The one who really acted stupidly was the idiot driving the tank. Shooting random holes in the prison rather than taking out the defenders. The guy was an actual soldier, he should’ve ended that whole fight with a couple well placed shots.