The Walking Dead; 5.16 "Conquer" (open spoilers)

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As for Deanna being a hypocrite, I think that is unfair.

Rick has been warning her Alexandria is too soft.

Exhibit A: He drags in a walker after the gate was left open, with one of her soldiers confirming that he asked Gabriel to close the gate.

The day before, he tried to kill Porchdick Wifebeater, and was stopped.

Exhibit B: Porchdick kills her hubby.

Its an admission she was wrong and Rick was right, and concession of power to him. It just took those two wakeup calls to make her realize Disneyworld is about to shut down.

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Assuming there isn’t a larger number of Wolves, the gang is really just two psycho sadist murderers who kill camps for kicks? With the aid of some trailers full of walkers, I guess that is what the Ws are for so they can mark their own?

Are we really going to have Morgan fighting to preserve the lives of them next season?! I guess they are trying to make the audience hate someone other than Gabriel?

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So, what was the part that they were promoting in the buildup for this episode that would “piss <the fans> off”? The veiled suggestion that one of the Ricktatorship was going to be killed?

Was it the Glenn fakeout?
Was it teasing us with the supposed death of FWG?

I’m not seeing it, they almost got me with the Glenn fakeout, but to be honest, nothing really “pissed me off” in this episode, am I annoyed that FWG is still alive, yes, he’s more useless than LPITA…

however, since we’ve established that this show doesn’t like having more than one black male actor in the main cast for an extended time, “The Formula” may actually work in our favor this time, since Morgan is now here, and he kicks all kinds of arse, and is a fan favorite…

Nah, strike that idea, given how the director loves to mind-Frell the fans, it’d be par for the course that they’d kill off fan favorite Morgan and keep the hated FWG just to screw with the fan base…

If they feel the deluded need to stick to “The Formula”, then get rid of FWG, bring on Morgan, and then scrap “The Formula”

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I can’t tell if Gabriel’s character is growing, or they’re just keeping him around until it’s useful to kill him horribly. He’s getting better with violence, and he didn’t leave the gate open on purpose. In a way, leaving the gate open helped Rick make his point.

When did Morgan become a Zen Kung-fu master?

Hard to believe the Wolves haven’t stumbled across Alexandria yet but I guess it’s not the hardest thing to believe on this show.

Not surprised Deanna’s husband bought it. C’mon. Sweater wearing liberal.

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I’m not surprised in Rick’s action toward Pete.

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Morgan returns incarnate as Kwai Chang Caine (or maybe Master Po?). :smiley:

The “W” stands for Wolves and there are at least four of them. But what kind of crazy, crack-head, degenerate, scum-sucking, dirt bags these bass turds turn out to be is beyond my comprehension. I think it’s obvious that they have to be exterminated. Next season.

What was in Aaron’s abandoned backpack? Pictures of Alexandria, his electronic eavesdropping equipment, map(s) to the ASZ, flare gun, license plates, ???

I was surprised that Deanna gave the order. Yes, she had seen Reg go down, and had recently lost her son, but Drunk Doc was still the physician and surgeon. Alcohol was his obvious problem and that’s treatable. Oh well, Tara, Glenn, Nickolas, and everyone else, will need to find someone else to provide medical care. In a way he’s lucky. Carol doesn’t yet know that Drunk Doc had dropped her dish, and she wasn’t going to get it back. Or cleaned.

Gabriel screwed up his suicide (not a surprise), and left the door open (instead of locking everyone out, he let anyone in), he did manage to pull-start a walker’s head off, and stone a soon-to-be walker. Sasha kicked his ass, and Maggie reverted to Hershel-mode to save what’s left of his mind (or soul?). Maybe there’s still some hope for Gabriel? He is still one of the living.

Super Glenn, with a bullet wound thru his upper torso, and having just surived a life-or-death struggle with Nick, fights off three walkers, tracks down Nick, again, and kicks his butt.

Plus, Abe Ford likes to say shit.

Good show.

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It’s amazing how a hundred + Walkers can be silent as mice until the doors of the trucks open. Anyway, I thought this was a very so-so episode, and not what I was hoping for in the season finale. It wasn’t terrible, but it was a let down after the last few eps. I mean, they’re all sitting around that stupid fire pit wondering why Rick didn’t show up, and I want scream at them: Someone go look for Rick and bring him the goddam meeting. This whole place is tiny, it would take just a few fucking minutes to find him!!!

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My wife pointed out that in that tiny compound they failed to hear not one, but two gunshots! One from an assault rifle.

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the real question is why the hell did Rick shove that gun into the things brain before pulling the trigger? at that point he should have just shoved harder and killed it or ripped its jaws off and brought the still living dead to the party.

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When Rick wanted to kill him before, he was too valuable because he hadn’t killed anyone yet; all he’d done was beat his wife, and Deanna made clear that hey, no biggee. Now that he’s killed someone, he’s a different level of problem. I see no hypocrisy there.

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She wasn’t responding out of some well-considered and carefully argued position. He killed her husband and simply wanted him dead.

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In order for there to be hypocrisy, murder would have to be equivalent to beating your wife. It is not.

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The hypocrisy (which I’ll agree may not be the spot on perfect word) is her attitude.

“We’ve got this bad situation (doc beating his wife), but oh, gee, what can we do? We can’t expell him, we can’t separate him, gosh darn it.”

“He killed my husband? Up to this minute Rick was a deranged man who has no place here. But now he’s clearly right so kill the bastard who killed my husband!”

No to mention that Rick brought up killing Dr Beater because wife beaters often escalate to murder and he was unpredictaby dangerous. She dismissed his real danger out if hand. The scene wou’dve been improved if someone else had been killed (doctor’s wife?), so her change of heart would’ve seemed less self-serving or vengeful.

I understand the plot point and it shows she now gets it, but it reflects too many attitudes of ignoring the importance of a problem until you are directly affected.

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I think that was the point the writers were going for. In the previous conversation, she didn’t believe the dangers were real: Wife beaters escalate, often to murder, and the Alexandrians are woefully unprepared for the reality outside the wall, which will get inside the wall. She now understands that both dangers are very real.

EDIT: I’m also having trouble wrapping my head around your underlying point. You seem to be saying that when a person who has never murdered before now murders someone, nothing has changed so any changes in attitude are unjustified. This strike me as highly bizarre.

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This episode wasn’t bad but it was a huge amount of build up to just another speech from Rick.

What I wanted: At the end of the episode we cut to a gang leader on an impromptu stage giving a speech about how they found a place that has shelter, food, safely and how they were going to take it because those people inside don’t deserve it but you people do and then the camera spins and you see he is talking to a sea of thousands of fired up people all with W’s carved into their foreheads (Special FX of course). That would have set up a bad guy. Instead we got more hints.

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Something else: it is very weird that Maggie didn’t tell anyone at all what she over heard. She didn’t tell Rick. She didn’t defend their group to Deanna directly. She didn’t confront Gabriel. She just kept it to her self.

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Gabriel’s kinda fucked in the head. I can see wanting to die based upon what he has done. I can also see killing the walker because deep down he doesn’t want to die. But “murdering” the guy the walker killed was a bit much for him. We get the idea of offing someone who’s been chewed up and will turn, but I can see Gabriel thinking it’s a sin.

I’m guessing Rick shoved the gun way up in to the walker’s head so that no one else would know he has a gun. He was already halfway over the line of being kicked out so he wanted to be careful.

What the hell was up with those guys at the end? Why did they slit the guy’s throat who was in the poncho? They had to have been working together so what was the point of killing him? The best I can think of is the trap didn’t work as intended, but that’s not his fault. Unless the writers wanted us to know these guys are bad, but duh, we knew that already.

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Huh, what makes you think they were working together?

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I think the hanging torsos in the trailers are to dissuade people from rushing into them for shelter once the trap springs and the zombies are let loose. Like we saw with Daryl and Aaron, they were able to maneuver around the area before getting swarmed and choosing to go to the car. They could have tried to get into one of the trailers and pull the door down from the inside. If you see swinging chain zombie grabbers you are going to think twice.

I think Morgan’s stance of “life is precious” is going to be the moral conflict point with Rick next season. It would be easy to dismiss it if it came from someone like Gabriel… but if it comes from another “survivor” like Morgan it has weight. Like Sweater Liberal Husband was saying, we have to live together. I don’t know what Morgan’s solution is going to be, but Morgan arriving at the moment of an execution is important.

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yeah, I didn’t get that they had been working with Red Poncho guy at all. I think they captured him to add to their collection of trained disco zombies.

Chris on The Talking Dead had a great line about the Red Poncho Guy basically being a ‘red shirt’ from Star Trek fame. You knew he was a goner as soon as you saw the red poncho.